Why Is Stalingrad So Important?

Discussion in 'The Eastern Front' started by ghvalj, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Coming from someone who cant even tell when the EP was issued this is indeed quite interesting. Does our village idiot knows what a logical fact is and what history is about ?

    Typical of our young communist, won't address the statement made by the gentleman from Tenn. Continues on the emotional path rather than reason through thought.
    The Ep thing is a little old or is that the limit of your wit.

    C'est un dur a cuire. Sfortuna nera
     
  2. Exxley

    Exxley Senior Member

    Typical of our young communist, won't address the statement made by the gentlemen from Tenn. Continues on the emotional path rather than reason through thought.
    The Ep thing is a little old or is that the limit of your wit.

    C'est un dur a cuire. Sfortuna nera

    Gentleman would have been better though. And besides, maybe poor Oberst can tell us a little more about that EP thing (say for instance if it was issued at the end of the US Civil War) ? Being the clown he is, Im not holding my breath though.

    I also nearly missed that gem from our local clown:

    So you guys like Glanz and Hackworth because they've spent alot of time researching and are anti American.

    Let's just say that Colonel David M. Glantz is a Vietnam veteran who has received two Bronze Star Medals. Like I said, poor Oberst is nothing but an uneducated clown.
     
  3. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Just because someone is a Vietnam veteran doesn't make their viewpoint right(John Kerry,John McCain), obviously you didn't read my thread...oh yeah, there's that selective thinking again to promote your lack of agenda. Too tired from running around in the streets?

    Couldn't find anything wrong other than an a for an e. I do use pencils now and then so good of you to point that out.
     
  4. Exxley

    Exxley Senior Member

    Just because someone is a Vietnam veteran doesn't make their viewpoint right(John Kerry,John McCain), obviously you didn't read my thread...oh yeah, there's that selective thinking again to promote your lack of agenda. Too tired from running around in the streets?

    Couldn't find anything wrong other than an a for an e. I do use pencils now and then so good of you to point that out.

    And how are John Kerry or John McCain or David Glantz anti-american then (that is if our local clown has any clue of what he's babbling about ?) ? Maybe poor Oberst can enlighten us about that ? Of course not, he prolly never read anything from Glantz.
    Thing is I dont have an agenda, contrary to some biased clown out there.
     
  5. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Ok you need to get one thing straight about me, I actually abhor Communism. As a concept it is a complete failure. Anyone who has ever read Animal Farm by George Orwell knows this. Stalin was a complete animal and deserved the death he got as did Beria and all the other Animals that existed under the Kremlin. Now that we agree on something lets leave the "Communism is evil" plate at the door and talk about the Red Army in WWII. You want a fact backing up my claims that the Red Army was good. Well lets talk about operation Bagration then! [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Operation Bagration - The complete Annihalation of Army Group Centre Germans losing upward of 60 Divisions in less than 4 weeks. Launched 22nd June 1944. That wasnt a bad victory now was it? And it was against virtually full strength Wehrmacht divisions. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Another misconception should be put out here: I think you guys feel I am an apologist for the Red Army and that I must be a liberal/Socialist/Communist who has been brainwashed by the Unions and cant think critically.


    Lets see what a liberal is then: It is defined by the Free Dictionary as thus: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
    So thats what a liberal is? Free from Bigotry, yeah I'm free from Bigotry. Not limited in my views? Yep thats me. Not limited by traditional dogmas? Got me again. Yes I am a liberal as defined by that definition. I dont care that you guys think that its a dirty word or that it supposedly pigeonholes me into a particular way of thinking. If you guys label me as Liberal then fine. But if thats the case what does that make you? Look at the definition and think about what you are accusing me of. You are accusing me of being open-minded and free from Bigotry??? THANKS GUYS!!!!:elkgrin:

    Now as for the fact that I must be a teacher well H.O. No I'm not. and since when was being a teacher a problem by the way? Incidentally I'm in Human Resources. Teaching is a noble profession. No its a vocation.

    Rock Throwing Jimbo? :icon_sleepy: Tell you what, I'm going to see the Seelow Heights in 3 weeks and I'll let you know what the rocks are like!!!

    The British missed wiping out the 6th Panzer Army that had gone through the City days before and was heading south towards Lake Balaton. That was not were the Big Conflict was to take place. Guderian and the Staff of the OKH knew that the "BIG CONFLICT" was to take place against Berlin. The only reason that German Forces were heading south was because Hitler believed WRONGLY that Prague and Vienna were the intended Targets. If you read up on it you will know that Guderian waqws pulling his hair out because Hitler was stripping Army Group Vistula of its only Panzer Reserve.

    Yeah Patton faced the cream of the crop didnt he? Zhukov fought the Germans at Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kursk in fact at most of the main battles in the East, Zhukov was placed in Command of the Army at its most critical moments. Zhukov beat the Wehrmacht in 1941, 1942, 1943 and 1945. Patton??? Yeah comes into Normandy when the Germans are almost at breaking point and finally pushes through, then chases a beated enemy across a country that they were rushing across themselves. Yeah he was better than Zhukov alright!!!

    Yeah thats right. You are so disparaging about the most important theater of operations in the European Theater that it beggars belief. I'm not asking you to like the Red Army nor am I asking you to even admire their Tactics or their ideology. Just to recognise that it was an important theater in the ETO. But you cant Jimbo. You just cant get past the fact that the Communists were evil too. Where did I ever say anything about the weather. My only point about the weather was that they both had to fight in it. From German accounts you would think they were the only ones out in the cold. My point is that the Cold affected both sides. Just that the Russians were better at fighting in it.

    They broke the back of the Wehrmacht in the East!!! Was that not good?
    What does that have to do with anything? This is a discussion about the Soviets and Germans in the East, if you know anything about that conflict you would know that humanity was not high up in the order of things.
     
  6. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Well debated guys. Good to see debate rather than empty flaming.
     
  7. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    Tone down the rhetoric and the political debate or I'll tone it down for you.

    :sign_war:
     
  8. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    Ok you need to get one thing straight about me, I actually abhor Communism. As a concept it is a complete failure. Anyone who has ever read Animal Farm by George Orwell knows this. Stalin was a complete animal and deserved the death he got as did Beria and all the other Animals that existed under the Kremlin. Now that we agree on something lets leave the "Communism is evil" plate at the door and talk about the Red Army in WWII. You want a fact backing up my claims that the Red Army was good. Well lets talk about operation Bagration then!

    Operation Bagration - The complete Annihalation of Army Group Centre Germans losing upward of 60 Divisions in less than 4 weeks. Launched 22nd June 1944. That wasnt a bad victory now was it? And it was against virtually full strength Wehrmacht divisions.

    Another misconception should be put out here: I think you guys feel I am an apologist for the Red Army and that I must be a liberal/Socialist/Communist who has been brainwashed by the Unions and cant think critically.
    Ok you hate communism but love the Russians. Got it. (I think?) You bring out Operation Bagration and herald it to show Zhukov’s prowess? Which side of this issue are you debating? One of us had to have the opposing view right? Well, lets see. Zhukov had twice as many troops and 200 divisions going against Germany’s 34. Not too shabby considering the Germans were retreating and very poorly supplied thanks to the Allies bombing the crap out of their war industry while Russia merely consumed Lend Lease resources. This was a victory for Zhukov because it was the first time in the history of the war where the Germans lost more men than him. Gotthard, that’s just not western thinking for the term successful leadership.


    Lets see what a liberal is then: It is defined by the Free Dictionary as thus: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
    So thats what a liberal is? Free from Bigotry, yeah I'm free from Bigotry. Not limited in my views? Yep thats me. Not limited by traditional dogmas? Got me again. Yes I am a liberal as defined by that definition. I dont care that you guys think that its a dirty word or that it supposedly pigeonholes me into a particular way of thinking. If you guys label me as Liberal then fine. But if thats the case what does that make you? Look at the definition and think about what you are accusing me of. You are accusing me of being open-minded and free from Bigotry??? THANKS GUYS!!!!:elkgrin:

    Now as for the fact that I must be a teacher well H.O. No I'm not. and since when was being a teacher a problem by the way? Incidentally I'm in Human Resources. Teaching is a noble profession. No its a vocation.
    Pretty liberal definition of a liberal. Liberals are not bigots? Now that’s funny. In the US Liberals are the most anti-Christian group of people on the face of the earth. They make Muslims look tolerant. You better by a real dictionary and give of the “free ones”. In the US, a liberal is someone that bitches about everything and does nothing and exploits the hard working and has the morals of an alley cat. Someone so emotional and illogical that he or she is completely unaware of the fruits of socialism and pursues that ideal with a passion. Fiscal liberals in the US are people that are very generous (or liberal) with someone else’s money. Your definition sounds like a liberal describing himself the way he thinks he is rather than what he really is.

    Rock Throwing Jimbo? :icon_sleepy:Tell you what, I'm going to see the Seelow Heights in 3 weeks and I'll let you know what the rocks are like!!!
    What’s with the rock throwing Gotthard? I don’t get that one.

    The British missed wiping out the 6th Panzer Army that had gone through the City days before and was heading south towards Lake Balaton. That was not were the Big Conflict was to take place. Guderian and the Staff of the OKH knew that the "BIG CONFLICT" was to take place against Berlin. The only reason that German Forces were heading south was because Hitler believed WRONGLY that Prague and Vienna were the intended Targets. If you read up on it you will know that Guderian waqws pulling his hair out because Hitler was stripping Army Group Vistula of its only Panzer Reserve.

    Yeah Patton faced the cream of the crop didnt he? Zhukov fought the Germans at Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kursk in fact at most of the main battles in the East, Zhukov was placed in Command of the Army at its most critical moments. Zhukov beat the Wehrmacht in 1941, 1942, 1943 and 1945. Patton??? Yeah comes into Normandy when the Germans are almost at breaking point and finally pushes through, then chases a beated enemy across a country that they were rushing across themselves. Yeah he was better than Zhukov alright!!!
    If it was so easy, why didn’t Zhukov do it in the east? Why didn’t he simply push them across eastern Russian and Europe? He only faced half the density of German opposition. Of course it was easier for Patton. He didn’t have to stop and wait while his men raped and pillaged the village they just drove the Germans out of. How long does it take to set all the civilians houses on fire?

    Yeah thats right. You are so disparaging about the most important theater of operations in the European Theater that it beggars belief. I'm not asking you to like the Red Army nor am I asking you to even admire their Tactics or their ideology. Just to recognise that it was an important theater in the ETO. But you cant Jimbo. You just cant get past the fact that the Communists were evil too. Where did I ever say anything about the weather. My only point about the weather was that they both had to fight in it. From German accounts you would think they were the only ones out in the cold. My point is that the Cold affected both sides. Just that the Russians were better at fighting in it.
    Well, I have always said they did keep the Germans busy in the east which meant we didn’t have to bring the bombers back to the battlefield for mass annihilation. That’s something good about Russia. They probably saved 5000 sorties. See, I can find the good in them.

    They broke the back of the Wehrmacht in the East!!! Was that not good?
    What does that have to do with anything? This is a discussion about the Soviets and Germans in the East, if you know anything about that conflict you would know that humanity was not high up in the order of things.
    The eastern forces were the B team (primarily because of the Luftwaffe). Hitler knew from the beginning how easy Russia would be to beat. He just estimated three months instead of four and then came the winter in which Zhukov's great leadership skills conjured up for a last second annihilation reprieve from the Germans.


    Are you referring to the Regime or the Country? If you are referring to the Regime then I definitely agree. If you are referring to the entire country then you are just being rascist and I dont agree with you. Well I will be going to the Eastern Bloc this year and I have spoken to people from the region, I have spoken to Veterans both German and Russian. I have spoken to Poles and Hungarians, Czechs and Yugoslavs. So yes I know what they went through. I cheered when the wall went down and I have heard many tales of suffering especially in the areas of Prussia, Silesia and Pomerania. The fall of Germany is my area of speciality in WWII history and I am well versed in what the Soviets did and continued to do for 60 years.
    There's a difference between what you and I think and it is this: You will not accept that the Red Army was chief factor in the Donwfall of the Third Reich and because Communism was an evil regime you dont think that the Soviet Union deserves to be credited with that fact. Am I right? Well let me put this to you, I do not, nor never have been an apologist for the Red Army. See some of my posts whenever a Russian superiority freak joins the board!!! What happened in Eastern Germany in 1944-45 was similar to the fall of the Roman Empire. It was an abomination and the West stands indicted for not helping Poland and Czechoslovakia and hungary and Bulgaria. but that still doesnt take away the fact that the Germans lost more men and material in the East than Anywhere else. They lost the war when they invaded Russia and when they declared the war on the US. You cant grasp that fact or wont and until you do we will continously have these posting discussions. Because just as your conscience forbids you to "dance to the Tune" so mine will not allow the Eastern Front to have "Cheap Shots" taken at it by someone who has an axe to grind against Communism and so allows it to cloud what really happened.
    I don’t know all of Russia so I can’t say whether it is all bad or not. Surely there are some good people there. But of course we discuss this in the context of WWII, governments and regimes, but you simply cannot discount the barbaric acts of its rank and file soldiers either.

    I can say that for 60 years Russia has consistently put on an evil face virtually everywhere it was seen. Russia as a government has always been a scumbag. Just like the recent revelations that the Russians tried to help Hussein by giving him and his army American troop positions by satellite. That’s no different than when they would not allow American bombers to land on their bases for refueling or emergencies when they are supplying you and are supposed to be an ally. Heck, even today they are even holding British and American explorers who had Russian visas in jail right now and not sure if or when they will release them just because they couldn't find someone to stamp their friggen visas. We have a saying Gotthard; “a leopard never changes its spots”.

    You talk about the number of Germans dying at the eastern front as though this meant anything other than a description of fighting spirit. Well, Gotthard, you need to really think that through and not be so wowed by numbers. You have to remember that Russia lost more than three times what Germany lost. The war in the West was a war of machines. We were an advanced civilization and used technology to win our war, not brute force. The Allies in the west were not boasting about how many soldiers they had lost they were scrambling frantically to figure out how to minimize human losses. The thing I have been trying to get you starry-eyed Russian Army fans to see is that if the German divisions thrown against Russia would have been moved to the west, they would have been rapidly annihilated as well. You seem to not understand the magnitude of air dominance. Being an Eastern Front fan, I can see that mindset being prevalent. But B-17s/24s Halifaxes, Wellingtons, wreak havoc on concentrated enemy ground forces of any kind. This is why Patton ran across the Germans as though they weren’t there. They simply weren’t! Heck his breakout started in Operation Cobra when in 30 minutes, the USAAF caused Panzer Lehr to disappear from the face of the earth in front of him. What's he supposed to do? Sit there and wait for a fair fight? That's stupid. You seem to think Patton was a poor general just because he didn't lose more men. I don't get that eastern front mindset. It seems so bassackwards to me.

    In the eastern front, the Stukas were diving on the Russian forces. Most western forces had never saw a Stuka other than a handful of RAF pilots that encouraged Hitler to move them all to be used on the Eastern Front. His choice was lose them all over Britian or move them to the east to kill Russians. In the west, they fought with brains, in the east they fought with brawn. Forget numbers man. Just be glad the western allies were destroying the factories and industry and communications so your Russian heroes didn’t face more machines and supplied soldiers. That seems to be something you Russia-mongers seem to be unable to comprehend. This was not the 1600s it was the 1940s! Weapons not humans were the strength of tactical operations.

    All I have ever asked of Russian army fans is to show me one redeeming thing they did for mankind during the entire war. Show me one simple act of kindness or brotherhood to their allies that was not either a scam to get Berlin or didn’t end with them slitting the throat of the recipient. Did you know that an American bomber landed for an emergency on a Russian field in WWII after bombing war factories supplying the enemy of Russia and they arrested them and would not let them go and at the end of the war tried to charge the US a high impounding fee for the plane all those months? Did you know they never paid back a single cent of the lend lease?

    When you find some 60 years after a war a group of people debating whether an ally was more hostile toward you than the enemy, you have something seriously wrong. I doubt any British, Aussie, NZ, Canadian, Polish, etc soldier coming upon a wounded American pilot would not only deny him help, but would also steal his watch. Like I said earlier, sometimes you simply have no choice but to call a spade a spade. It may not be pretty but it is the reality here. Gotthard, your emporer is simply naked friend.
     
  9. Exxley

    Exxley Senior Member

    Ok you hate communism but love the Russians. Got it. (I think?) You bring out Operation Bagration and herald it to show Zhukov’s prowess? Which side of this issue are you debating? One of us had to have the opposing view right? Well, lets see. Zhukov had twice as many troops and 200 divisions going against Germany’s 34.

    Truth is HG Mitte had a little more Divisions than what our village idiot believes. They had 34 Inf Divisions, 2 PzGr Divisions, 2 Luftwaffe Field Divisions, 7 Sec Divisions, 1 Pz Div.
    And Zhukov never had those 200 divisions needless to say. The four Red Army front involved in Bagration totalled 118 Inf Divisions, eight Tank and Mech Corps, six Cav Divisions, 13 Art Divisions.

    Pretty liberal definition of a liberal. Liberals are not bigots? Now that’s funny. In the US Liberals are the most anti-Christian group of people on the face of the earth. They make Muslims look tolerant. You better by a real dictionary and give of the “free ones”. In the US, a liberal is someone that bitches about everything and does nothing and exploits the hard working and has the morals of an alley cat. Someone so emotional and illogical that he or she is completely unaware of the fruits of socialism and pursues that ideal with a passion. Fiscal liberals in the US are people that are very generous (or liberal) with someone else’s money. Your definition sounds like a liberal describing himself the way he thinks he is rather than what he really is.


    I'll let Kiwi answer to this gem :)

    The eastern forces were the B team (primarily because of the Luftwaffe). Hitler knew from the beginning how easy Russia would be to beat. He just estimated three months instead of four and then came the winter in which Zhukov's great leadership skills conjured up for a last second annihilation reprieve from the Germans.

    And somehow in between the OstHeer lost 700,000 men before the winter. Guess they were all sunburnt. Maybe our village idiot will learn someday why Barbarossa is hardly considered a success.

    I don’t know all of Russia so I can’t say whether it is all bad or not. Surely there are some good people there. But of course we discuss this in the context of WWII, governments and regimes, but you simply cannot discount the barbaric acts of its rank and file soldiers either.

    Im quite sure the behaviour of many US soldiers in the PTO was at time quite barbaric as well. Is is a reason to accuse the whole US country ?

    You talk about the number of Germans dying at the eastern front as though this meant anything other than a description of fighting spirit. Well, Gotthard, you need to really think that through and not be so wowed by numbers. You have to remember that Russia lost more than three times what Germany lost. The war in the West was a war of machines. We were an advanced civilization and used technology to win our war, not brute force. The Allies in the west were not boasting about how many soldiers they had lost they were scrambling frantically to figure out how to minimize human losses. The thing I have been trying to get you starry-eyed Russian Army fans to see is that if the German divisions thrown against Russia would have been moved to the west, they would have been rapidly annihilated as well. You seem to not understand the magnitude of air dominance. Being an Eastern Front fan, I can see that mindset being prevalent. But B-17s/24s Halifaxes, Wellingtons, wreak havoc on concentrated enemy ground forces of any kind. This is why Patton ran across the Germans as though they weren’t there. They simply weren’t! Heck his breakout started in Operation Cobra when in 30 minutes, the USAAF caused Panzer Lehr to disappear from the face of the earth in front of him. What's he supposed to do? Sit there and wait for a fair fight? That's stupid. You seem to think Patton was a poor general just because he didn't lose more men. I don't get that eastern front mindset. It seems so bassackwards to me.


    Funnily though, our village idiot is again back at his old uneducated and unsourced mantra: somehow, the Panzer-Lehr that is supposed to have been disintegrated by the USAAF only reported 950 casualties on July 24th and 25th.
    And about Patton running across the Germans as though they werent there, well, he was exactly running in Lorraine.
     
  10. Herroberst

    Herroberst Senior Member

    Pretty liberal definition of a liberal. Liberals are not bigots? Now that’s funny. In the US Liberals are the most anti-Christian group of people on the face of the earth. They make Muslims look tolerant. In the US, a liberal is someone that bitches about everything and does nothing and exploits the hard working. Someone so emotional and illogical that he/she is completely unaware of the faults of socialism. Fiscal liberals in the US are people that are very generous with someone else’s money. Your definition sounds like a liberal describing himself the way he thinks he is rather than what he really is.

    Perfecto Jimbo. But you are more generous than I would be in my evaluation of the destroy America Party otherwise known as the Depression Party, AKA Dumocrats.



    I'll let Kiwi answer to this gem :)



    Why don't you answer it?

    Gott, you may have some valid points about the East front but I wouldn't use Bagration as one of them. The Germans had very little left after Stalingrad and Kursk combined. Maybe that should be your point?

    Perhaps Exxley could provide us with Order Of Battle and actual strengths of units to illustrate your point.
    (please footnote source)
     
  11. Exxley

    Exxley Senior Member

    Pretty liberal definition of a liberal. Liberals are not bigots? Now that’s funny. In the US Liberals are the most anti-Christian group of people on the face of the earth. They make Muslims look tolerant. In the US, a liberal is someone that bitches about everything and does nothing and exploits the hard working. Someone so emotional and illogical that he/she is completely unaware of the faults of socialism. Fiscal liberals in the US are people that are very generous with someone else’s money. Your definition sounds like a liberal describing himself the way he thinks he is rather than what he really is.

    Perfecto Jimbo. But you are more generous than I would be in my evaluation of the destroy America Party otherwise known as the Depression Party, AKA Dumocrats.

    Why don't you answer it?
    Because this has nothing to do with the current thread.

    Gott, you may have some valid points about the East front but I wouldn't use Bagration as one of them. The Germans had very little left after Stalingrad and Kursk combined. Maybe that should be your point?
    Actually, the German losses at Kursk were hardly significant at all. This is quite another popular myth about an overdramatized battle.
    And to put thing into perspective, the Ostheer lost six times more men during the year and a half before the Stalingrad campaign. The Stalingrad losses were awful, but they didnt deplete the Ostheer (which was in fact stronger in June 1943 than during the winter of 1942-1943)
     
  12. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Guys

    My point about Bagration was not so much that they had worn down the Germans at that point but that they were capable of undertaking large scale strategic offensives with Army Groups and had learned from their earlier mistakes. They were not just Human Waves.

    I also just want to say that yesterday I may have "gone off the rails" slightly on this and another thread. I would like to apologise if they were in any way provocative. I would like to reassure forum members that my brain has now kicked into gear and I will try not to let that happen in future! :icon-mrgreenbandit:
     
  13. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Guys

    My point about Bagration was not so much that they had worn down the Germans at that point but that they were capable of undertaking large scale strategic offensives with Army Groups and had learned from their earlier mistakes. They were not just Human Waves.

    I also just want to say that yesterday I may have "gone off the rails" slightly on this and another thread. I would like to apologise if they were in any way provocative. I would like to reassure forum members that my brain has now kicked into gear and I will try not to let that happen in future! :icon-mrgreenbandit:

    It happens!
     
  14. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    Thread is now LOCKED.

    Jimbotosome, take the discussion of postwar and modern political theory to ANOTHER SITE.

    All other personnel, do not add to flame wars.
     
  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Testing. Testing 1 2 1 2 :unsure:

    Update:

    This was a interesting thread :D

    It seems Evolution has been at work over the last few years. All the dinosaurs has died and become extinct with their views. I must say I'm rather glad of it too although it seems as though I joined a few years to late. I would have liked to have witnessed them become history :)

    Cheers
     
  16. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Testing. Testing 1 2 1 2 :unsure:
    Wow, talk about digging up some old threads!!! :lol:
     
  17. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I've just read another one on the Cold War :lol:

    I blame Owen :D

    Glad to see you stuck around G H ;) That Jim guy was/is a serious Bellend !

    Cheers
     
  18. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    It seems Evolution has been at work over the last few years. All the dinosaurs has died and become extinct

    Bad news, I'm not extinct, only hibernating.
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    It seems Evolution has been at work over the last few years. All the dinosaurs has died and become extinct with their views. I must say I'm rather glad of it too although it seems as though I joined a few years to late. I would have liked to have witnessed them become history :)
    Some Dinosaurs were hunted and killed... Natural selection being what it is, Owen & others've got a few proud notches on their keyboard

    I've just read another one on the Cold War :lol:
    Not THE cold war thread?? :unsure:
    Oooer, that thankfully seems a very long time ago.
    And yes he was... and yes, it's Owen's fault.

    I'm not extinct,
    We'll get you yet Rodinu, we'll get you yet...
     
  20. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Bad news, I'm not extinct, only hibernating.

    You just smell that way!:huh:
     

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