Who is this man? Help me please.

Discussion in 'US Units' started by Milou, Feb 18, 2012.

  1. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    Hello!

    Am totally new here, so here's to hoping I'm posting in the right thread.

    I'm trying to solve a mystery. I have this photo of a man in some sort of army uniform. I'm not sure who he is. He's not family or a relative, I once bought this picture somewhere because I loved the look of it, without knowing anything about it.

    I'm trying to find out who he is. On the back of the photo it is written: J07881 or J01881, that is a bit unclear. I don't know much about searching for soldiers, but I have found that that must mean he was Jewish and was from Middlesex, and was in the army in WW1. Is that even correct?

    However, I'm stuck. I've tried searching for his uniform, and I do find it to resemble the ww2 american paratroopers uniform. Then again, I don't know anything about these kind of things, and I might be completely off. I'm not even sure if the number on the back is real, or maybe something the seller of this picture once wrote down.

    What do you guys think? I'm sorry about the picture being somewhat unclear, but maybe you have some more information. I'm completely intrigued by this!

    Hoping to hear from you. Thanks!
    Milou
     

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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Definately NOT WW1.
    WW2 era US soldier I'd say.
     
  3. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    Definately NOT WW1.
    WW2 era US soldier I'd say.

    Thank you! I thought so too, glad to hear my instincts may have been right.
     
  4. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    Looks like an M-43 jumpsuit at first glance. Worn by a US paratrooper.

    The M-43 was issued from Operation Market Garden onward.
     
  5. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    Looks like an M-43 jumpsuit at first glance. Worn by a US paratrooper.

    The M-43 was issued from Operation Market Garden onward.

    Wow, thank you! So my eyes don't deceive me.

    That is wonderful to hear. I actually live in Holland, what a coincidence is that ;)
     
  6. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Milou,

    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    I agree that the soldier appears to be airborne judging by his uniform.

    He is also travelling light, so this indicates to me that he is more than likely an officer.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  7. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    I'm not 100% sure, just my assumption.

    The reason I think it's the later jumpsuit is that the breast pockets look to be straight rather than slanted as they were on the M-42 jacket.


    M-42
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    M-43
    [​IMG]



    So assuming I'm correct, the photo could have been taken any time between Market Garden and VE Day.

    I cannot however identify anything further on the photo that may narrow things down.
     
  8. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    Milou,

    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    I agree that the soldier appears to be airborne judging by his uniform.

    He is also travelling light, so this indicates to me that he is more than likely an officer.

    Regards
    Tom


    @Tom
    Thank you so much. Really, an officer? Just asking, but I always thought there should be signs on the uniform to show their rank? And I don't see any.. I defenitely don't question your knowledge or judgement, am just curious.
     
  9. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    I'm not convinced that there's any hint of him being an officer (or otherwise) - it's a posed photograph and for that reason it could be anyone.

    Not that I'm saying smudger is wrong, just that I don't see the evidence.
     
  10. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    I'm not 100% sure, just my assumption.

    The reason I think it's the later jumpsuit is that the breast pockets look to be straight rather than slanted as they were on the M-42 jacket.


    M-42
    [​IMG]

    M-43
    [​IMG]



    So assuming I'm correct, the photo could have been taken any time between Market Garden and VE Day.

    I cannot however identify anything further on the photo that may narrow things down.

    You are right, the pockets are indeed shaped like the M43.

    Trying to narrow things down:
    Judging from the building style of the house on the right, which is made of bricks, it is (in my opinion) defenitely taken somewhere in northern Europe (not in America, after the war). Also, there are leafs on the trees. Two trees further in the back seem to have lost leafs. That could mean two things: it would be fall 1944, or spring 1945. Winter 44 would be a bit unlikely, since it was a very cold winter, and there are still many leafs on some of the trees.

    Could I be right with my assumption? Please let me know if you dissagree.
     
  11. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    Time of year could be spring or fall/autumn - I agree that's likely.

    Is that a building on the left? I didnt see it until you pointed it out, but as I look at it it could also be that the right side of the photo is faded, and that the bit that looks like a building might be just a tree with thin branches.


    EDIT: looking again I think the horizontal lines look a bit too uniform to be branches, but there's something about it that looks odd. Maybe its just too close, or there's not enough of it in the picture to be clear (in my eyes).
     
  12. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    Time of year could be spring or fall/autumn - I agree that's likely.

    Is that a building on the left? I didnt see it until you pointed it out, but as I look at it it could also be that the right side of the photo is faded, and that the bit that looks like a building might be just a tree with thin branches.

    :)

    On the left there is no building. On the right there is. On my picture it is more clear. It defenitely is a brick building with a gutter (or is it called rain water pipe?) running down. Sorry it is a bit faded, that's because I had to photograph it with my phone and upload it..
     
  13. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    tmm,

    I think that you are right with the tree branches to the right on the faded right side of the photograph.

    The bottom right lines look like wire on a fence running alongside.

    There also appears to be two posts behind the soldier with what appears to be cross pieces like a roof shape.

    It does not appear to be trees.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  14. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    I can try to get it uploaded more clear tomorrow if you'd like, though there isn't much more to see. I promise you it's a building with a rain pipe running down. ;)

    The picture is slightly bigger in reality, and a bit cleared.

    So lovely to have this kind of reply. Brings butterflies to my stomach, I love a good mystery slowly becoming a bit clearer!
     
  15. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    :)

    On the left there is no building. On the right there is. On my picture it is more clear. It defenitely is a brick building with a gutter (or is it called rain water pipe?) running down. Sorry it is a bit faded, that's because I had to photograph it with my phone and upload it..

    Left, right - same difference :p (I meant right)

    It does look like a building, but also as Tom says I think it also looks like a fence or tree or something.

    A clearer photo would be good.
     
  16. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    Left, right - same difference :p (I meant right)

    It does look like a building, but also as Tom says I think it also looks like a fence or tree or something.

    A clearer photo would be good.

    Will try and upload a better picture tomorrow then. Have been studying the background, and am thinking that MAYBE there are telephone poles in the background. But that's hard to tell. Right now I'm off to bed, to dream about this mystery. Thanks and will check in tomorrow! Good night!
     
  17. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic Patron

    I suggest that, because of the lack of detail on the photo itself, if you want to find out who this is, you need to write down everything you can think of, for example where, when and how you bought it, anything the vendor told you, did you buy or see anything else similar at the time etc etc. You need to hit the 'target' from all directions! Otherwise all you have is a nice photo of any one of thousands of soldiers! I was in a similar situation a few years ago but, over the course of about three years I managed to get names for a whole group of about 20 soldiers so I know that the task you face is possible to achieve. You should also make a posting on other web forums that specialise in US military history. If you can narrow your search to a specific location and then identify his Unit then you will find the next steps quite easy. There is even a chance he is still alive!
     
  18. -tmm-

    -tmm- Senior Member

    I suggest that, because of the lack of detail on the photo itself, if you want to find out who this is, you need to write down everything you can think of, for example where, when and how you bought it, anything the vendor told you, did you buy or see anything else similar at the time etc etc. You need to hit the 'target' from all directions! Otherwise all you have is a nice photo of any one of thousands of soldiers! I was in a similar situation a few years ago but, over the course of about three years I managed to get names for a whole group of about 20 soldiers. You should also make a posting on other web forums that specialise in US military history. If you can narrow your search to a specific location and then identify his Unit then you will find the next steps quite easy. There is even a chance he is still alive!

    This is good advice. Find some sites that specialise in 101st and 82nd airborne research. It's possible someone there may recognise him and an individual, rather than just am american paratrooper.
     
  19. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

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    Allright, so couldn't resist. Better quality.
     
  20. Milou

    Milou Junior Member

    I suggest that, because of the lack of detail on the photo itself, if you want to find out who this is, you need to write down everything you can think of, for example where, when and how you bought it, anything the vendor told you, did you buy or see anything else similar at the time etc etc. You need to hit the 'target' from all directions! Otherwise all you have is a nice photo of any one of thousands of soldiers! I was in a similar situation a few years ago but, over the course of about three years I managed to get names for a whole group of about 20 soldiers so I know that the task you face is possible to achieve. You should also make a posting on other web forums that specialise in US military history. If you can narrow your search to a specific location and then identify his Unit then you will find the next steps quite easy. There is even a chance he is still alive!

    Thank you so much! Unfortunately I bought this picture of of Ebay (couldnt resist the look of it). The seller sells more vintage pictures, so I might message him tomorrow asking him if he remembers anything about it, or if the message on the back is his.
     

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