Who can help to ID this WW2 button?

Discussion in 'WW2 Militaria' started by JayKay, Jun 9, 2009.

  1. JayKay

    JayKay Junior Member

    Found this nice silver coated button in a WW2 zone.

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    Text in Latin on the button says: FACTA NON VERBA (deeds, not words)

    It seems that in this area (near Florence / ITALY) the US 5th Army had the 1st AAA Brigade, 8th AA Group stationed.

    Research on the internet so far did not get me any further....

    Anyone who can help?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  3. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    JK,
    I think that you will find the button comes from a member of the United States Merchant Marines.

    Their Motto was Acta non Verba. Act don't talk.

    Regards
    Tom

    PS: I didn't see any text originally only the badge and failed to see the first letter F.

    Sorry if I have confused the issue.
     
  4. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Is it usual to have a crown on an American button?

    I can never tell the difference between the king and queens crown but one looks like it.
     
  5. militarycross

    militarycross Very Senior Member

    Can we have a look at the back of this, please.

    Doesn't look military, frankly, to my eyes. I would suspect a municipality or something of that order. I might even be inclinded toward a school. Having said that, perhaps it might be OTC and someone with Kipling and King can look and see if there is anything there. Maybe something like University of Leicester or Cambridge or ???

    I will check this against a button book in the library and see what I can find.

    Can anyone do anything with the heraldry of the shields. It is like an amalgamation of two houses sort of image to me.

    Tom, as much as I would like to go down your road of Merchant Navy, they tend to have a fouled anchor most times in their insignia.

    Maybe the back will give us a maker's name and a direction to look.

    So, there's my tuppence worth on this.

    cheers,
    phil


    Found this nice silver coated button in a WW2 zone.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Text in Latin on the button says: FACTA NON VERBA (deeds, not words)

    It seems that in this area (near Florence / ITALY) the US 5th Army had the 1st AAA Brigade, 8th AA Group stationed.

    Research on the internet so far did not get me any further....

    Anyone who can help?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  6. Passchendaele_Baby

    Passchendaele_Baby Grandads Little Girl

    Shiny, :D
    I would of thought that there would of been something other than a crown on a US badge, i thought that would be mainly to do with countries like Auz, England, and of course Zeeland, you know, in the commonwealth, but maybe i'm wrong.
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    As you say it was found near Florence in Italy I think it's an Italian civie one.
    eg. School or choir etc etc
     
  8. Passchendaele_Baby

    Passchendaele_Baby Grandads Little Girl

    Good thinking, Tom was wrong, he cant read :D
     
  9. JayKay

    JayKay Junior Member

    Thanks a lot for the feedback guys!

    I've had some help from an expert on an Italian forum and it looks like the button isn't military :mad:
    Apparently it's identified as a 'civie' button though not Italian, but it looks like the insignia's on the button are possibly of two Polish nobile families that are in some way linked together. Button is indicated as beeing from the period 2nd half of XIX's to max. XX.

    So other than the fact that it was found near a WW2 foxhole, I guess that's closes the case as it is not a military WW2 object.

    Thanks again
     
  10. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Bare in mind a lot of Polish thought in Italy during WW2 so that may explain how it got there.

    He may have worn his own clothes under his uniform to keep warm etc.

    Regards
    Andy
     

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