Where in the Alps was this photo taken ?

Discussion in 'WW2 Battlefields Today' started by Owen, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    One of my favourite photos from the war.
    Soviet T34 & Sherman in The Alps somewhere .
    Anyone know exactly where it was taken ?
    I assume somewhere in Austria .
    I'd like to ID the mountain in the background & the village too.
    Maybe I could Then & Now it oneday.
     

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  2. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen
    possibly Viener Neustadt South of Vienna and close to the Semmering pass which was their boundary - not quite the Alps though

    Cheers
     
  3. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    owen
    " google' for Viener Nuestadt - last of four pics

    Cheers
     
  4. Owen

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    Been looking at lots of pics , can't find a match yet.
    Wonder if it in Slovenia ?
     
  5. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Hi Owen,

    if this is really in Austria, you could check with the following link or send an Email directly to their office ( office@alpenverein.at )and include the picture. All preferably in German.
    Or, send a private message to me and I will forward your request including the photo and the reasons for your interest.

    Stefan.

    http://www.alpenverein.com/portal/index.php
     
  6. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen

    Still think it is Viener Nuestadt as that snow covered mountain in the background is distinctive - and unchanging whereas the Town has become a City - put both pics together....thankfully the raping

    and pillaging Russians are no longer there...
    Cheers
     
  7. Owen

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    Tom , do you mean the mountain in the background to this pic?
    I need help identifying the name of it to compare.
    http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.data.image.w/w619186a.jpg

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  8. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen

    here in the Fraser valley ..i am surrounded by the Cascades to the South and the Coast Mtns to the North - the one overlooking my house is Mount Cheam at 7500 feet and further West is a bunch of others but what their names are - escapes me BUT that range at Viener Nuestadt is part of the Glestenstein (?) range which keeps the Hungarians / Rumanians out of Austria..which you should move to Dover next year
    Cheers
     
  9. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Owen,

    You've probably seen this one also from a series of WW2 colour photos which can be found everywhere on the web. The same mountains in the background with what looks like American troops being saluted by Russian officers.

    Maybe a clue there ...?

    Regards ...
     

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  10. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Cee

    IF - as I think it is Viener Nuestadt..then the Americans never got that far over in Austria but stopped short around Salzburg / Innsbruck..the boundary of the Russian - British zones was the

    Semmering Pass which we kept pointing out to them when they came too far South to Judenberg / Knittelfeld...after three weeks they finally got the memo and moved back..but their worst excesses

    In Vienna were still obvious...it took a whole battalion of pioneers and engineers three weeks to clean up the Schoenbrunn Palace working 24 hour shifts for us to set up Army HQ....they obviously had

    never seen toilets before 0r used them...so back to the guessing game,,,

    Cheers
     
  11. Owen

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    Don't remember seeing that one before.
    Cheers.

    ahah! says near LINZ.
    Got name of photographer too.
    http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/gallery.php?ModuleId=10006146&MediaType=PH

    9th Armored Div are the US unit.

    doesnt make sense as this page says they were in Czechoslovakia.
    So date & unit must be wrong in that other link.
    http://www.globeatwar.com/article/us-9th-armored-division-liberation-western-czechoslovakia-1945
     

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  12. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen

    well sorted as i can accept Linz as being the background for the photos ...It was from there that Gen. Patton discovered that the Lippzanner mares were in Czechoslovakia so he headed a group

    to rescue them and deliver them to the Vienna Schule.....the 16/5th Lancers' B squadron Captain Peter Bull rode a Lippzanner Stallion as leader of the bandits in our sketch of holding up the

    Stagecoach..at the Vienna Tattoo -at the end of the sketch he rode his stallion to the front and let the horse bow to the audience...who went delirious with joy to know that "their" horses were safe

    once more- we raised more than 10,000 pounds which sent 2400 Viennese children into the country for good food and fresh air which was sorely needed....great times in Vienna in those days as I

    first saw and heard the fabulous Dame Elisabeth Schwartskopf there without knowing who she was ..it was later back in London that I heard her once more to be devastated when she died just few

    years ago....

    Cheers
     
  13. HA96

    HA96 Member

    Owen,

    I am trying to get some confirmation from Austria.
    All photos look like having been shot in the summer when only pretty high mountians are snow covered. The mountains close to Wiener Neustadt are not that high. If you look from the area south of Linz in southern direction, I think you can see the snow covered peaks of the Tauern region from there. But lets see what my contacts in Austria come up with.

    Stefan.
     
  14. Owen

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    Cheers Stefan, I've been looking at photos of lots of Austrian mountains, just can't find any to match yet.
    Some lovely scenery so it's not a chore.
    :)

    edit: just found another one of the series
     

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  15. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    Nice find Owen and some wonderful background stories from Tom!

    Lt. Arnold E. Samuelson was with the 167th Signal Photographic Company. According to Wikipedia in 1945 he "was given command of Combat Assignment Unit #123. That unit consisted of two motion picture cameramen, John O'Brian and Edward Urban, and two still photographers, J Malan Heslop and Walter McDonald.

    Samuelson's group served initially with the 9th Armored Division, advancing as far as Leipzig, then was attached to the 80th Infantry Division as it moved southward to Bavaria and Austria."

    A link to a photo of Sameulson with a group of Russians slugging back the vodka ... :)

    Vodka Party - WW2 Photographs by J. Maylan Heslop

    "Lt. Arnold Samuelson, of the U.S. Army Signal Corp Photo Div., joins in the Vodka party with the Russians.[Patron submitted inforamtion: Photograph taken in Liezen, Austria, where the meeting with Soviet forces took place near the bridge over the river Enns.]"

    There are several other pics of the occasion also taken by Heslop with views of the mountains in the background

    Regards ...
     
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  16. Cee

    Cee Senior Member Patron

    So rather than Linz it's a location very close to Liezen, Austria.

    Liezen, Austria - Google Maps

    But I'm off to bed and work tomorrow so I'll leave it to you lads to narrow it down.

    Later ...
     
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  17. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Cee /Owen

    Liezen is along way from Linz and close to 6th Armoured's boundary as we were in Knittelfeld and rounded up many bad guys to the Russians at Judenberg only to learn that they were

    taken five miles North of Judenberg to be killed...30 years later on the BBc when the reports were opened for the public - we then moved back to Friesach - Tribach- Salsberg and HQ at Althoven

    where the daughter of a good friend still runs the Gasthaus we used as RHQ - where the big black lab would spread herself all over the steps and the children had to be lifted over to get to school -

    the dog belonged to Capt - The Lord Carmichael - and had the run of the place..see my articles of Strasburg 1-2-3 on the BBc series below

    Cheers
     
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