Where did Kamal Ram win his VC ?

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  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    His VC was earned on 12th May 1944 shortly after crossing the River Gari, Italy.

    Obviously the part of the river is the key and the only other information I have is that the the enemy position had to be captured to be able to secure a bridgehead over the Gari.

    Will do some more digging when I have time.

    Cheers
     
  3. Elven6

    Elven6 Discharged

    From his Wiki,

    On 1944-05-12 at the River Gari on the Gustav Line in Italy, the company advance was held up by heavy machine-gun fire from four posts on the front and flanks. The capture of the position was essential and Sepoy Kamal Ram volunteered to get round the rear of the right post and silence it. He attacked the first two posts single-handed, killing or taking prisoner the occupants and together with a Havildar he then went on to complete the destruction of a third. His outstanding bravery unquestionably saved a difficult situation at a critical period of the battle.


    Kamal Ram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Edit: Darn, Andy just beat me to it..again!
     
  4. Damiano

    Damiano In the shadow of Monte Cassino

    Someone on your side ( :D ) could try at the Imperial War Museum in London for the Kamal Ram VC. Original Recommendation, with it I could find the exact location of VC and take some photographs of the place! What do you think about?

    Best Regards, Gurdjieff

    P.S. Owen, this link
    Defence Dynamics - Multimedia Library - Sepoy Kamal Ram VC
    doesn't work to me....
     
  5. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    P.S. Owen, this link
    Defence Dynamics - Multimedia Library - Sepoy Kamal Ram VC
    don't work to me....

    It didn't for me at first I had to download QuickTime Player 7.1 or something like that.

    Will have to look at War Diaries for 3/8th Punjabis to get some info.
    You've helped me with British VC winners, we mustn't forget the Indian troops .
     
  6. Damiano

    Damiano In the shadow of Monte Cassino

    OK Owen, I'm here...I hope for some good news, in the next hours! ;)
     
  7. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Best I can do is 'south of Sant' Angelo'. From 'Martial India, the story of two million volunteers' by F. Yeats-Brown.
    Confusingly, the Gari is called the Rapido in its upper reaches, then the Gari, then the Garigliano near the coast. At the point where it was crossed by the 8th Division on the night of May 11th-12th, south of the village of Sant' Angelo, it is ten feet deep, thirty broad, fast flowing, with treacherous banks. On the far side lie swamps and a wet cornfield extending to the low plateau on which Sant' Angelo stands.

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    On the right, between the Cassino railway station and Sant' Angelo, 4 British Division had not completed a bridge before dawn and was unable to do so in daylight, but although lacking support weapons the division clung to a shallow lodgement on the far bank throughout the day. On the left 8 Indian Division succeeded in placing two bridges over the river south of Sant' Angelo and was joined by tanks of 1 Canadian Armoured Brigade and some anti-tank guns.
    From III: The Destruction of the Gustav Line | NZETC
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Chers chaps,
    From The Tiger Truimphs

    The Tiger Triumphs. The Story of Three Great Divisions in Italy. 1946. Chapter 7.

    3/8 Punjabis, the right-hand battalion, had been ordered as a first task to secure the line of the lateral road, thereafter striking for Point 63, a pimple of land in the centre of the valley.

    "B" and "C" Companies crossed the river, and came forward to make good the gains. With Major Wright missing, Subedar Sumera Ram took command of "B" Company and Major Gardhari Singh assumed overall command of the assault. The advance was pinned down by a sleet of fire from front and flanks. Movement meant death, until the shining heroism of young Kamal Ram saved the day. This nineteen-year-old sepoy of Karauli State, in action for the first time, crouched near his Company Commander when the machine-guns swept the Punjabis to the ground. A gun firing from the right flank was particularly vexatious. The officer called for a volunteer to deal with it. Kamal Ram crawled through the wire and leapt upon the gun crew single-handed. He shot the gunner and bayoneted his feeder, swinging about to kill a German officer who sprang at him from a slit trench firing a pistol. With the post silenced he pressed on. Having sniped the gunner of a second nest, he bombed the remainder of the crew into submission. Together with a havilder he attacked a third machine-gun post and dealt with it in a similar fashion. The line was open. The Punjabis moved forward to secure their objective. Later, in a forward reconnaissance, Kamal Ram wiped out a fourth machinegun nest---an unsurpassed day's work which earned this gallant youngster the Victoria Cross.


    Need to look at maps for Point 63 & the river, the action would have been somewhere between them.

    So last May we were in spitting distance.
    i'm going to have to go back aren't I ?
     
  9. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    The Indian built Bailey Bridge. called 'Oxford Bridge' was put across about 3/4 of a mile south of Sant' Angelo.

    The Liri Valley: Canada's World War ... - Google Books

    with this interesting sideline in tank launched bridges.
    THE INVENTION OF THE TANK-LAUNCHED BRIDGE
    by lan Seymour
    (Radio Operator of the Carrier Tank)

    General Russell consulted Lieutenant
    Colonel Cyril Neroutsos (Distinguished
    Service Order) from Montreal, Quebec,
    Commander of the Calgary Regiment, and
    the latter, after doing a personal
    reconnaissance, (which involved swimming
    the Gari River) reported that one bridge
    would be quite inadequate, for the purpose.
    General Russell agreed and took up the
    matter with General Kirkman, who at first
    demurred. A number of discussions ensued
    between the 3 officers and Lieutenant
    Colonel Schoolhouse (General Russell's
    assistant) concerning the difficulty of
    constructing another tank-bearing bridge
    quickly. And then occurred, one of those
    chance remarks which can change the
    course of history. Colonel Schoolhouse
    said, at one of the meetings, "Well, why
    can't we build a Bailey Bridge and push it
    across the damn river - it's only a couple of
    hundred yards wide!" This was taken in a
    jocular sense, but this one spoken sentence
    sparked a thought in the mind of Colonel
    Neroutsos that led to a chain of events that
    may have caused the slight difference
    between defeat and victory at Casino. And
    the difference was slight despite the huge
    superiority in size and equipment enjoyed
    by the 8th Army. The German 51st
    Mountain Corps was to fight with stubborn
    tenacity, courage and endurance. Typical
    German Army initiative was displayed by
    the non-commissioned officers innumerable
    stereotyped Hollywood images to the
    contrary notwithstanding. Colonel
    Neroutsos went on more reconnaissances
    through No Man's Land (in this case "No-
    Man's River) and picked out a suitable
    place on the Gari River about 500 metres
    south of "Oxford". This spot was code-
    named "Plymouth". Still thinking about the
    words of Colonel Schoolhouse, Colonel
    Neroutsos consulted his Royal Canadian
    Electrical and Mechanical Engineers
    (REME) officer, Captain Tony Kingsmill
    from Toronto, Ontario. Captain Kingsmill
    mulled over this strange notion and
    conceived the idea of 2 tanks working
    together to carry and push a
    bridge across the 60 foot wide Gari River.
    One Sherman tank (the "Carrier) would
    have its turret removed and have substituted
    a large metal steel "I" beam until the front
    end of it was well over the far bank of the
    river. Captain Kingsmill would then order
    the carrier tank to advance and it would
    drive down into the river - the bridge failing
    into place. Another duty of the operator
    was to see that the driver disentangled
    himself "-from his head-set and got out of
    his hatch, and to assist him if he was
    wounded. The two man crew was then to
    bail out and swim for shore. The pusher
    tank would decouple.

    PLYMOUTH INITIALLY SUCCESSFUL

    Several hours after dawn "Plymouth
    Bridge" was completed out of sight of the
    enemy on the far bank of the river. Captain
    Kingsmill took his place on the ground to
    the left of this huge ungainly contraption
    and ordered both tanks to advance. With
    many a creak and groan, the whole moved
    slowly forward, Lieutenant C. Howe
    commanding the engineering platoon,
    standing on top of the bridge. We had
    several hundred metres to travel to reach
    the prepared launching position. To mask
    the infantry attack and the large target
    offered by Plymouth, the 8th Indian
    Division artillery also laid down smoke.
    The two slowly moving tanks with their strange burden were nevertheless either
    seen or heard and some mortars landed
    during the approach. Captain Kingsmill
    calmly ignored these and the bridge itself
    was not hit. After what seemed an
    interminable journey to the two tank crews,
    the Gari at last came in sight. Captain
    Kingsmill ordered a halt, and after a slight
    pause to get perfectly aligned, he ordered
    the pusher tank forward. The bridge moved
    slowly over the rollers. Across the carrier
    tank and when it was projected across the
    Gari with its front end about 20 feet over
    the further landing place, Captain Kingsmill
    ordered the carrier tank forward. I passed
    the order to MacLean and he promptly
    drove down into the river - "Plymouth
    Bridge" lowered neatly into position as the
    carrier tank disappeared under water for
    what seemed an interminable time to me, as
    I was standing about chest deep. However,
    MacLean soon popped up and out of his
    hatchway and swan back to shore. My
    duties were thus completed. Fearful of the
    poisonous serpents which infested the area,
    I went hand over hand on the bottom of the
    bridge being about one half in the water,
    and thus we both reached the shore safely.

    Captain Kingsmill ordered the pusher tank
    to decouple and sent a coded, wireless
    message of success to Colonel Neroutsos,
    and the Calgary Regiment (less the one
    squadron at "Oxford") rolled forward from
    their hidden positions to Plymouth.
    MacLean and I had the pleasure of standing
    soaking wet waving to our comrades as the
    first two tanks rumbled across the bridge.
    The crew commander of the lead tank was
    Lieutenant A. I. Cawsey from Calgary,
    Alberta (who also had the second tank
    under his command).


    VICTORY

    The tank crossings of the Gari and the other
    rivers, had a decisive effect on the cracking
    open of the German Gustav Line and this,
    in turn, paved the way for the breaching of
    the Hitler Line. The whole operation taking
    about 11 days of hard fighting by 8th Army.
    A purist might label this "Journalistic".
    This is best left to history. This victory
    along with other attacks resulted on a
    general advance to and far beyond the
    "Open City' of Rome. The Germans were
    forced back with huge losses. The allied
    Air Force came into its own and caught
    what remained of the German forces on a
    desperate attempt to retreat by moving their
    vehicles in unclouded daytime, something
    they had heretofore, for many months
    rigidly avoided. Thousands of tanks, guns,
    trucks and all manner of military vehicles
    were destroyed. This Victory dovetailed, as
    planned, with the successful allied landing
    on the Normandy beaches on June 6.

    REWARDS

    Both Captain Kingsmill and Captain Patton
    received the Military Cross. MacLean and
    Carson received the Military Medal and I
    was Mentioned in Despatches - for our
    respective contributions to this seemingly
    small part of World War II. Lieutenant
    Cawsey was also Mentioned in Despatches
    for his gallantry in a later battle.
     
  10. At Home Dad (Returning)

    At Home Dad (Returning) Well-Known Member

  11. Damiano

    Damiano In the shadow of Monte Cassino

    Wounderful video, thank you very much!

    Regards, Gurdjieff
     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    another snippet about him.

    The Tiger Triumphs. The Story of Three Great Divisions in Italy. 1946. Chapters 10-12.

    3/8 Punjabis were missing on this tour of duty, for news had come through that the King-Emperor would arrive within a few days to pin the Victoria Cross on Sepoy Kemal Ram. Such an occasion demanded great "bandobast", and the most urgent need was to find Kemal Ram, who had been wounded in the scrimmage at Bastiola two months before, and was now somewhere on lines of communication. The signallers succumbed to the prevailing excitement and dispatched messages in all directions enquiring for Colonel Ram. It was not until the evening before the presentation that the sepoy was found and flown to his battalion. The subedar-major spent a busy evening teaching the young hero how to roll his short, puttees and how to comport himself on ceremonial parade, for like most of the fighting men in this war Kemal Ram Was unversed in the rituals. Nevertheless, he and his battalion made a brave show next day, and it was heartwarming to see British, Canadian and New Zealand comrades crowding to congratulate him and to honour the outstanding courage which makes all brave men kin.
     
  13. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Wounderful video, thank you very much!

    Regards, Gurdjieff

    I'll second that. Thanks Owen.

    Map Overlay showing Gari crossings for 12th Infantry Brigade.

    Regards
    Tom
     

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  14. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    cheers Tom, 19th Ind Bde were further south than that though.
    Paul supplied us with this map last year which I think is from 4th Div History.
    It just shows the 8th Indian Divsion at the bottom.

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    This one shows 8th Indian Div's area.

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  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  16. Damiano

    Damiano In the shadow of Monte Cassino

    Hi Owen,
    I'm sorry but there is an error,

    the point 63 is this:
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    On the Paul map:
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    I hope to take soon pictures of point 63 and the Gari river!

    All the best, Gurdjieff
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    No Gurd that's the wrong point 63, that's in the 4th Div sector not the 8th Indian Div sector which is south of St Angelo.
    See map in post #14, there is a Point 63 but as you can see that is in the area of 4th Div.
     
  18. Damiano

    Damiano In the shadow of Monte Cassino

    Yes Owen, right! I was confused...:icon_smile_blackeye

    infact, this was my first approach:
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    with Sant'Angelo in Theodice as a reference point:
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    Best Regards, Gurdjieff :)
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Few days late but thought I'd bump this to remember Kamal Ram's actions 70 years ago.
     
  20. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Owen,

    A very timely reminder.

    Regards
    Tom
     

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