Chatting with Andy (Drew) about locations of where VCs were won at Cassino. Anyone know exactly where Kamal Ram won his VC with 8th Punjabis ? We Were There - Photo of Sepoy Kamal Ram VC 8th Punjab Regiment Great video from IWM of him being awarded his VC by the King . Defence Dynamics - Multimedia Library - Sepoy Kamal Ram VC
His VC was earned on 12th May 1944 shortly after crossing the River Gari, Italy. Obviously the part of the river is the key and the only other information I have is that the the enemy position had to be captured to be able to secure a bridgehead over the Gari. Will do some more digging when I have time. Cheers
From his Wiki, On 1944-05-12 at the River Gari on the Gustav Line in Italy, the company advance was held up by heavy machine-gun fire from four posts on the front and flanks. The capture of the position was essential and Sepoy Kamal Ram volunteered to get round the rear of the right post and silence it. He attacked the first two posts single-handed, killing or taking prisoner the occupants and together with a Havildar he then went on to complete the destruction of a third. His outstanding bravery unquestionably saved a difficult situation at a critical period of the battle. Kamal Ram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Edit: Darn, Andy just beat me to it..again!
Someone on your side ( ) could try at the Imperial War Museum in London for the Kamal Ram VC. Original Recommendation, with it I could find the exact location of VC and take some photographs of the place! What do you think about? Best Regards, Gurdjieff P.S. Owen, this link Defence Dynamics - Multimedia Library - Sepoy Kamal Ram VC doesn't work to me....
P.S. Owen, this link Defence Dynamics - Multimedia Library - Sepoy Kamal Ram VC don't work to me.... It didn't for me at first I had to download QuickTime Player 7.1 or something like that. Will have to look at War Diaries for 3/8th Punjabis to get some info. You've helped me with British VC winners, we mustn't forget the Indian troops .
Best I can do is 'south of Sant' Angelo'. From 'Martial India, the story of two million volunteers' by F. Yeats-Brown. Confusingly, the Gari is called the Rapido in its upper reaches, then the Gari, then the Garigliano near the coast. At the point where it was crossed by the 8th Division on the night of May 11th-12th, south of the village of Sant' Angelo, it is ten feet deep, thirty broad, fast flowing, with treacherous banks. On the far side lie swamps and a wet cornfield extending to the low plateau on which Sant' Angelo stands. On the right, between the Cassino railway station and Sant' Angelo, 4 British Division had not completed a bridge before dawn and was unable to do so in daylight, but although lacking support weapons the division clung to a shallow lodgement on the far bank throughout the day. On the left 8 Indian Division succeeded in placing two bridges over the river south of Sant' Angelo and was joined by tanks of 1 Canadian Armoured Brigade and some anti-tank guns. From III: The Destruction of the Gustav Line | NZETC
Chers chaps, From The Tiger Truimphs The Tiger Triumphs. The Story of Three Great Divisions in Italy. 1946. Chapter 7. 3/8 Punjabis, the right-hand battalion, had been ordered as a first task to secure the line of the lateral road, thereafter striking for Point 63, a pimple of land in the centre of the valley. "B" and "C" Companies crossed the river, and came forward to make good the gains. With Major Wright missing, Subedar Sumera Ram took command of "B" Company and Major Gardhari Singh assumed overall command of the assault. The advance was pinned down by a sleet of fire from front and flanks. Movement meant death, until the shining heroism of young Kamal Ram saved the day. This nineteen-year-old sepoy of Karauli State, in action for the first time, crouched near his Company Commander when the machine-guns swept the Punjabis to the ground. A gun firing from the right flank was particularly vexatious. The officer called for a volunteer to deal with it. Kamal Ram crawled through the wire and leapt upon the gun crew single-handed. He shot the gunner and bayoneted his feeder, swinging about to kill a German officer who sprang at him from a slit trench firing a pistol. With the post silenced he pressed on. Having sniped the gunner of a second nest, he bombed the remainder of the crew into submission. Together with a havilder he attacked a third machine-gun post and dealt with it in a similar fashion. The line was open. The Punjabis moved forward to secure their objective. Later, in a forward reconnaissance, Kamal Ram wiped out a fourth machinegun nest---an unsurpassed day's work which earned this gallant youngster the Victoria Cross. Need to look at maps for Point 63 & the river, the action would have been somewhere between them. So last May we were in spitting distance. i'm going to have to go back aren't I ?
The Indian built Bailey Bridge. called 'Oxford Bridge' was put across about 3/4 of a mile south of Sant' Angelo. The Liri Valley: Canada's World War ... - Google Books with this interesting sideline in tank launched bridges. THE INVENTION OF THE TANK-LAUNCHED BRIDGE by lan Seymour (Radio Operator of the Carrier Tank) General Russell consulted Lieutenant Colonel Cyril Neroutsos (Distinguished Service Order) from Montreal, Quebec, Commander of the Calgary Regiment, and the latter, after doing a personal reconnaissance, (which involved swimming the Gari River) reported that one bridge would be quite inadequate, for the purpose. General Russell agreed and took up the matter with General Kirkman, who at first demurred. A number of discussions ensued between the 3 officers and Lieutenant Colonel Schoolhouse (General Russell's assistant) concerning the difficulty of constructing another tank-bearing bridge quickly. And then occurred, one of those chance remarks which can change the course of history. Colonel Schoolhouse said, at one of the meetings, "Well, why can't we build a Bailey Bridge and push it across the damn river - it's only a couple of hundred yards wide!" This was taken in a jocular sense, but this one spoken sentence sparked a thought in the mind of Colonel Neroutsos that led to a chain of events that may have caused the slight difference between defeat and victory at Casino. And the difference was slight despite the huge superiority in size and equipment enjoyed by the 8th Army. The German 51st Mountain Corps was to fight with stubborn tenacity, courage and endurance. Typical German Army initiative was displayed by the non-commissioned officers innumerable stereotyped Hollywood images to the contrary notwithstanding. Colonel Neroutsos went on more reconnaissances through No Man's Land (in this case "No- Man's River) and picked out a suitable place on the Gari River about 500 metres south of "Oxford". This spot was code- named "Plymouth". Still thinking about the words of Colonel Schoolhouse, Colonel Neroutsos consulted his Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (REME) officer, Captain Tony Kingsmill from Toronto, Ontario. Captain Kingsmill mulled over this strange notion and conceived the idea of 2 tanks working together to carry and push a bridge across the 60 foot wide Gari River. One Sherman tank (the "Carrier) would have its turret removed and have substituted a large metal steel "I" beam until the front end of it was well over the far bank of the river. Captain Kingsmill would then order the carrier tank to advance and it would drive down into the river - the bridge failing into place. Another duty of the operator was to see that the driver disentangled himself "-from his head-set and got out of his hatch, and to assist him if he was wounded. The two man crew was then to bail out and swim for shore. The pusher tank would decouple. PLYMOUTH INITIALLY SUCCESSFUL Several hours after dawn "Plymouth Bridge" was completed out of sight of the enemy on the far bank of the river. Captain Kingsmill took his place on the ground to the left of this huge ungainly contraption and ordered both tanks to advance. With many a creak and groan, the whole moved slowly forward, Lieutenant C. Howe commanding the engineering platoon, standing on top of the bridge. We had several hundred metres to travel to reach the prepared launching position. To mask the infantry attack and the large target offered by Plymouth, the 8th Indian Division artillery also laid down smoke. The two slowly moving tanks with their strange burden were nevertheless either seen or heard and some mortars landed during the approach. Captain Kingsmill calmly ignored these and the bridge itself was not hit. After what seemed an interminable journey to the two tank crews, the Gari at last came in sight. Captain Kingsmill ordered a halt, and after a slight pause to get perfectly aligned, he ordered the pusher tank forward. The bridge moved slowly over the rollers. Across the carrier tank and when it was projected across the Gari with its front end about 20 feet over the further landing place, Captain Kingsmill ordered the carrier tank forward. I passed the order to MacLean and he promptly drove down into the river - "Plymouth Bridge" lowered neatly into position as the carrier tank disappeared under water for what seemed an interminable time to me, as I was standing about chest deep. However, MacLean soon popped up and out of his hatchway and swan back to shore. My duties were thus completed. Fearful of the poisonous serpents which infested the area, I went hand over hand on the bottom of the bridge being about one half in the water, and thus we both reached the shore safely. Captain Kingsmill ordered the pusher tank to decouple and sent a coded, wireless message of success to Colonel Neroutsos, and the Calgary Regiment (less the one squadron at "Oxford") rolled forward from their hidden positions to Plymouth. MacLean and I had the pleasure of standing soaking wet waving to our comrades as the first two tanks rumbled across the bridge. The crew commander of the lead tank was Lieutenant A. I. Cawsey from Calgary, Alberta (who also had the second tank under his command). VICTORY The tank crossings of the Gari and the other rivers, had a decisive effect on the cracking open of the German Gustav Line and this, in turn, paved the way for the breaching of the Hitler Line. The whole operation taking about 11 days of hard fighting by 8th Army. A purist might label this "Journalistic". This is best left to history. This victory along with other attacks resulted on a general advance to and far beyond the "Open City' of Rome. The Germans were forced back with huge losses. The allied Air Force came into its own and caught what remained of the German forces on a desperate attempt to retreat by moving their vehicles in unclouded daytime, something they had heretofore, for many months rigidly avoided. Thousands of tanks, guns, trucks and all manner of military vehicles were destroyed. This Victory dovetailed, as planned, with the successful allied landing on the Normandy beaches on June 6. REWARDS Both Captain Kingsmill and Captain Patton received the Military Cross. MacLean and Carson received the Military Medal and I was Mentioned in Despatches - for our respective contributions to this seemingly small part of World War II. Lieutenant Cawsey was also Mentioned in Despatches for his gallantry in a later battle.
another snippet about him. The Tiger Triumphs. The Story of Three Great Divisions in Italy. 1946. Chapters 10-12. 3/8 Punjabis were missing on this tour of duty, for news had come through that the King-Emperor would arrive within a few days to pin the Victoria Cross on Sepoy Kemal Ram. Such an occasion demanded great "bandobast", and the most urgent need was to find Kemal Ram, who had been wounded in the scrimmage at Bastiola two months before, and was now somewhere on lines of communication. The signallers succumbed to the prevailing excitement and dispatched messages in all directions enquiring for Colonel Ram. It was not until the evening before the presentation that the sepoy was found and flown to his battalion. The subedar-major spent a busy evening teaching the young hero how to roll his short, puttees and how to comport himself on ceremonial parade, for like most of the fighting men in this war Kemal Ram Was unversed in the rituals. Nevertheless, he and his battalion made a brave show next day, and it was heartwarming to see British, Canadian and New Zealand comrades crowding to congratulate him and to honour the outstanding courage which makes all brave men kin.
Wounderful video, thank you very much! Regards, Gurdjieff I'll second that. Thanks Owen. Map Overlay showing Gari crossings for 12th Infantry Brigade. Regards Tom
cheers Tom, 19th Ind Bde were further south than that though. Paul supplied us with this map last year which I think is from 4th Div History. It just shows the 8th Indian Divsion at the bottom. This one shows 8th Indian Div's area.
Need to look at maps for Point 63 & the river, the action would have been somewhere between them. How could I forget the Cassino maps Capt Bill & Paul posted. http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/italy/19773-cassino-maps.html Flickr Photo Download: Cassino Left Section Point 63 clearly marked & so are the machine guns positions.
Hi Owen, I'm sorry but there is an error, the point 63 is this: Zoom On the Paul map: I hope to take soon pictures of point 63 and the Gari river! All the best, Gurdjieff
No Gurd that's the wrong point 63, that's in the 4th Div sector not the 8th Indian Div sector which is south of St Angelo. See map in post #14, there is a Point 63 but as you can see that is in the area of 4th Div.
Yes Owen, right! I was confused...:icon_smile_blackeye infact, this was my first approach: with Sant'Angelo in Theodice as a reference point: Best Regards, Gurdjieff