What is it?

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  1. Gnomey

    Gnomey World Travelling Doctor

    Still has 4 engines not 2...
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I've looked through here and can't find anything that comes close, except a Sunderland with two engines missing.
    photogallery
     
  3. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    Some clues:

    Its not a Short, but another well-known British manufacturer.

    Only one was built.

    It was painted in standard camo with a yellow 'P' for Prototype, not the Coastal Command colours here. It had 2 x Rolls-Royce Vultures; the artist has assumed these troublesome devices would be replaced by Bristol Hercules on a production model, which seems reasonable to me - sorry if this threw some of you.

    Look carefully at the horizontal line above the chine.....
     
  4. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    B.20 Blackburn.

    Experimental flying boat. The B.20 tried to make water clearance and
    take-off wing incidence more compatible with streamlining, by making
    the planing bottom retractable. The stablilising floats were also
    retractable.

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  5. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    Blackburn B20

    That's right!

    A seaplane with separate floats is compromised in weight and drag [the Schneider trophy types were specified as seaplanes by the competition rules]. In the case of a flying boat with boat-hull, keeping the engines away from the water is a problem: it either has to be very large like a Sunderland, or the engines are on drag inducing struts like a Catalina (I imagine something like a Goose works because the engines are relatively low-powered). Whether the extra weight of the retraction gear on the B20 would have negated the advantages I don't know.

    It crashed early in its career, and was not considered a priority to be pursued.

    Your turn, Spidge

    adrian
     
  6. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

  7. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    Well, it looks like a B17 being used as a test-bed for a much larger engine - maybe the Wright R3350 as used in the B29, or even the R4360 "corncobs" used in the Hughes HK1 - or maybe a turboprop?

    I can't imagine they would have considered it for combat - no room for a nose gun or bombardier.
     
  8. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Well, it looks like a B17 being used as a test-bed for a much larger engine - maybe the Wright R3350 as used in the B29, or even the R4360 "corncobs" used in the Hughes HK1 - or maybe a turboprop?

    I can't imagine they would have considered it for combat - no room for a nose gun or bombardier.

    Spot on Adrian. Your question.

    It is a B-17 with a turbine engine installed in the nose. My guess it they were testing the turbine engine and needed a large airframe like the B-17s. They probably took off and landed using the traditional four engines as the primary power. Once at altitude, they engaged the turbine engine and experimented to determine performance characteristics.
     
  9. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    Ok, what engine is this, and what type of aircraft did it power?
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Napier Sabre...Typhoon?
     
  11. adrian roberts

    adrian roberts Senior Member

    Napier Sabre...Typhoon?

    Yes - perhaps a bit too easy!

    Nice artwork though.

    Your turn, Spidge
     
  12. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Yes - perhaps a bit too easy!

    Nice artwork though.

    Your turn, Spidge

    I am not in your league when it comes to aircraft....Lucky pick.
     
  13. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    In respect to calibre, what was the biggest gun "fitted" to an aircraft in ww2?
     
  14. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

  15. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    75mm

    No bigger!
     
  16. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    No bigger!

    110mm
     
  17. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    No smaller!
     
  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    An "88".
     
  19. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    no bigger!
     
  20. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Not WW2 but a 105mm Howitzer on a C-130 Gunship.
    As for WW2, 128mm gun. A Maus with wings.
     

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