We've found the WW2 casualty's family (4126455 Gnr Marsh, 87th ATR)

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by SixPounder, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. SixPounder

    SixPounder Member

    Morning all

    This is a duplicate of a thread I started on ARRSE. I have posted here following a suggestion by Drew who has helpfully suggested I fill out a General Enquiry to MOD for the individual's service record. Reading the guidance on here, I don't have 12 months to wait, but I will get cracking.

    The crux of the ARRSE post is as follows:

    I interviewed a survivor of my grandfather's unit last year, he is 98 soon.

    Long story short he wants to write to the family of a pal of his who died in his arms during an air attack in Tunisia 1943. I've checked the CWGC entry for the Gunner concerned and there are no family links included, so unless the vet can remember where he was from, we have little to go on apart from him apparently being married with a family. There don't appear to be any other internet entries for him (that aren't copies of the CWGC entries) so just to get something online I am posting on here. We intend to do newspaper appeals as well. Any other recommendations are welcome.

    The casualty is 4126455 Henry Marsh, 87th Anti-Tank Regiment, Royal Artillery, formerly 7th (Haytor) Battalion, Royal Devonshire Regiment.

    According to the unit war diary Henry Marsh died 24th August 1943 near the Bou Arada-Goubillat Road.

    Thanks for reading. Any help appreciated.
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  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Ref the Service Records - It is a bit pot luck on how long they take but 12 months is the extreme. Lately most seem to be getting them in a few months and I'm confident with the fact that your chap was killed during WW2 you may get them even sooner as he will probably be easier for them to find his records.

    Here's a link to his CWGC details for ref

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2621279/MARSH,%20HENRY :poppy:
  3. SixPounder

    SixPounder Member

    Thanks Drew

    Up until recently he'd been listed as serving with the wrong regiment. I wrote to CWGC with evidence (including a personal account from the vet concerned) and CWGC have now updated the entry online.

    I'll email CWGC again and see if they still have his file. They must've requested the same records.
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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I think this family tree on Ancestry has your man:

    Henry Marsh
    Birth 1910 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Death 24 Apr 1943


    edited to add:

    there are others as I have his birth date:

    Henry Marsh
    Birth abt 1910 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Death 24 April 1943 in MEDJEZ-EL-BAB WAR CEMETERY

    UK Army roll of honour

    Name: Henry Marsh
    Given Initials: H
    Rank: Gunner
    Death Date: 24 Apr 1943
    Number: 4126455
    Birth Place: Liverpool
    Residence: Liverpool
    Regiment at Enlistment: Devonshire Regiment
    Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
    Theatre of War: North Africa
    Regiment at Death: Devonshire Regiment RA
    Branch at Death: Royal Artillery
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  5. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    enlisted originally in the Cheshire Regt.

  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Sixpounder

    If you wish to, send me a PM with a message for the family trees I have found for him saying what you want to say and I can forward it via the internal message system on Ancestry - include some contact details and then see if they contact you.

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  7. SixPounder

    SixPounder Member

    You guys are rapid..thanks all.

    PM coming up.
  8. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Additional;- Married 1931 Elizabeth McCarthy children only one listed John Anthony Marsh born 1933 died 29th November 1993.John was married to Joan Gilmore and has/had five daughters and three sons.

  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member


    Message sent to 4 family trees on Ancestry - fingers crossed


    edited to add:

    It seems that Henry and Elizabeth had:
    5 daughters & 6 sons
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  10. SixPounder

    SixPounder Member

    Sorry the two posts there confused me. Did Henry and Elizabeth have one child (John Anthony Marsh) or did they have multiple children?

    Tricky - thanks again with the Ancestry posts.
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    The family tree shows 11 children in all, the ones named (the others are shown as Private - so no access) are:

    Anthony b 1931
    Terence b 1932
    Henry John b 1934
    Mary b 1936

  12. SixPounder

    SixPounder Member

    The surviving vet, his name is Freddie, did say to me he thought he had "six kids"....
  13. SixPounder

    SixPounder Member

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  14. SixPounder

    SixPounder Member

    Still trying to find Henry Marsh's family. Waiting for the Liverpool Echo to respond after a busy few weeks for them.

    In the meantime I asked Drew5233 to copy some of 87th Anti-Tank's War Diaries for me at the National Archives.

    An excellent and professional job (thank you!)

    This was one of the images he copied. 87th Anti-Tank's band playing at Carthage Ampitheatre in June/July:

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  15. Alanst500

    Alanst500 Senior Member

    On Ancestry "Private" means they are living
  16. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Alan

    I'm not sure your last comment is correct. The definition from Ancestry re Private Trees is:

    Private Tree
    This setting makes your tree "Private" so that it can't be viewed as a Public Member Tree. Note that the information from your tree will still be indexed for searching, but those who find your information can't view your tree without your permission.
    What does this mean?
    Even if you don't share your tree, other members can still learn if a specific deceased individual is in your tree, in addition to the birth year and birthplace of the person and your username (but no personal information about you).
    They can then contact you anonymously through the Connection Service on Ancestry sites to request more information. Keep in mind that members who want to learn from your tree may also have helpful information about your tree to offer you in exchange.
    Also prevent your tree from being found in the search index.
    Note: although your tree will instantly become public or private, it usually takes about a month or more to be reflected in the search index.

  17. Alanst500

    Alanst500 Senior Member

    I was not referring to Private Trees but visible trees where the living persons are classed as "Private".
  18. jo camb 88

    jo camb 88 New Member

    Hi there I am the Grandaughter of Henry he is known as Harry to the family . He was killed a month before my Mum and her twin brother were born , they are both alive and well. We saw your notice in the Liverpool Echo asking for information, please get in touch if you need any more info or contact details.
  19. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Jo

    Glad you found the forum I note sixpounder has not been around for a few days so I will also PM him to see if he's awake.

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  20. jo camb 88

    jo camb 88 New Member

    Thanks that would be great .

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