wedgetails intro

Discussion in 'User Introductions' started by wedgetail, Aug 26, 2012.

  1. wedgetail

    wedgetail Junior Member

    Hi to all.

    I was dared to introduce myself, so here goes. I live in Western Australia. Been here for 45 years. Left UK as soon as I was disgharged.
    I served 12 years in the RAF on Marine craft & what is now called logistics.

    I have been interested in geneology for over 10 years. My current interest is in tracking my late father-in-law, who was a heavy duty driver in the Royal engineers. His areas of combat where in Palestine (1930's) BEF (1939) & Dunkerq. In 1942 he was sent to India & trained for the Chindits. He was involved in operation Longcloth, operation Thursday & defence of Kohima.
    I have his service records but they are very brief with no information between 1942 & 1945, I will attach them with my request to search forum.

    The only person I now on this forum is Brian known as Sapper, from Service Pals.

    Many thanks Wedgetail
     
  2. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    Hello and welcome to the forum.
    Look forward to your postings.

    Lesley
     
  3. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Welcome to the forum.
     
  4. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    Welcome and enjoy!!!
     
  5. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Welcome from the Netherlands
     
  6. wedgetail

    wedgetail Junior Member

    Hi all.
    Hopefully someone can help me with a little problem. Also the records are attached.
    My Father in law, Joseph Henry Ellis served in Burma during WW 2 among other places. I expect he would have done jungle warfare trayning at Janhnsi (India). When war broke out he was with BEF in France, visiting a German family in the Saarland. They help him get back across the French border. They were driven back to Dunkerq where he managed to get a one-way ticket on the paddle steamer "Gracie Fields".in May 1942 he was posted to 864 Middle East Coy. Then shipped to Bombay, arrivng there in September 1942.
    This is the mystery to me. There is no more information on his records until 3rd May 1945, posted to 687 Artesian works coy. So what was he doing between 1942 to 1945 ? This is on the attached records.
    He told us he was involved at Imphail, Kohima & both of Gen, Wingates expeditions. We don't know what units he was attached to or which columns of the chindit operations he was with. I have a feeling he may have been in Maj, Calverts Column for "Longcloth" & 23rd LRPB for Operation "Thursday". I had aresearcher check him out, he thought he may have been in the 12th Field coy.as it was the only one at all the events. He could find nothing else.

    I recal him telling me that the column he was with were ambushed by the Japs & he & his mate were taken prisoer. They manage to escape by feigning death in a roadside ditch. It took them several weeks to get back across the Chindwin where they were found by a Assam Regt patrol.
    He also related to being helped by Naga tribesmen. He told of throwing grenades across the tennis court at Kohima & the piles of bodies laying there. While on the operations he said any japs caught were given to the Gurkahs.
    I could go on but some of his experiences are too grusome to tell.

    My wife & I would just like to know what happened between 1942 & 1945. & why would it have been left out of the records ?

    Gratefully yours Wedgetail.
     

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  7. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    Hello wedgetail

    It looks to me like you have only received a summary of his records. I don't know when you applied for them or what you paid, but you need to contact the MOD and request the FULL service records. If you look at my profile there are copies of my fathers records and these are what you should expect to receive when you pay your 30 quid.
    If you applied recently and paid the money, you should definitely contact them and don't be fobbed off until you receive the full set. Hope this helps

    Lesley
     
  8. wedgetail

    wedgetail Junior Member

    Hi Lesley.

    I purchased them about 3 years ago, & it cost me £ 25-00. Took about 2 months to come through.
    I was begining to think the Army were the worst record keepers ever. :)-

    Regards James.
     
  9. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    Hi Lesley.

    I purchased them about 3 years ago, & it cost me £ 25-00. Took about 2 months to come through.
    I was begining to think the Army were the worst record keepers ever. :)-

    Regards James.

    If you paid 25 quid 3 years ago that was the price before they went up to 30.
    Give them a ring and ask them to look again. As I said, don't be fobbed off if they tell you that is all there is-you need the FULL records-there was a chap on here a few weeks ago who was "short changed" on his fathers records and INSISTED that they pull the file again and guess what?- yes they found more forms, just like the ones on my album. Keep on at them;)

    Lesley

    ps Oh and don't let them say it will take around 12 months to get them, you've already paid your money and got nothing much, so they really should get their finger out and send you the correct ones straight away!!
     
  10. Recce_Mitch

    Recce_Mitch Very Senior Member

    Welcome to the forum

    Cheers
    Paul
     
  11. Roxy

    Roxy Senior Member

    Welcome aboard, Wedgetail!

    Roxy
     
  12. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    Welcome to the forum wedgetail - enjoy!

    As Lesley suggests, you need to insist on your father-in-laws FULL service records. For example, the reference to the 864 Middle East Coy in the summary the MOD sent you is a nonesense; the unit was the 864th Mechanical Equipment Coy, RE.

    However, just because there is no narrative in the summary covering the dates between 1942 and 1945 may just mean that he stayed with/in the 864th.

    The 864th served with the GREF in SEAC (General Reserve Engineering Force in South East Asia Command) from late 1943 for at least the remainder of his service in SE Asia. I believe the 864th was involved at Imphal and Kohima.

    I have picked up references to this unit from two sources, but the best is here on this forum; see Message #9 in this link: http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/burma-india/42534-question-re-reme-burma.html

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    welcome to the forum
     
  14. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Wedgetail,

    I would have to second what 4jonboy has said, try for the full version of the service records.

    His arrival at Bombay gives him the time to be posted to Longcloth training at Saugor in early Autumn 1942.

    RE personnel were used in the demolition teams on Longcloth, this may sound stupid but drivers were often handed the reigns of the transport mules, as if this was a natural progression:).

    23rd Brigade were originally earmarked as a Chindit unit and ready to replace other units on operation Thursday, but they were held back by Slim once the Japanese broke out onto the Imphal plain.

    Everything here is possible, but you need more information, which can only be found from the full records.

    Steve
     
  15. Hebridean Chindit

    Hebridean Chindit Lost in review...

    Hi and welcome, Wedgetail...

    I can only agree with the above postings re your FIL's records - I got a few pages on my dad's service and medical records for the time - politely remind them they appear to have short-changed your wife...

    Plenty of people here that can offer help or pointers in the right direction, mostly... o_O

    Heres a link to the main Chindit/CBI pages on the site - plenty to read/study here...
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/burma-india/

    ... and this is a link to (mostly :D) books on the subject, old and new...
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/books-films-tv-radio/30194-abda-cbi-seac-book-thread.html
     
  16. wedgetail

    wedgetail Junior Member

    why does this site limit my time to about 10 minutes ? Just as I am about to post it tells me 'I have to log on again. When I do that everything has gone ito cyber space.

    Regards wedgetail
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    When you Log In are you ticking the 'Remember me' box ?
     
  18. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    If you paid 25 quid 3 years ago that was the price before they went up to 30.
    Give them a ring and ask them to look again. As I said, don't be fobbed off if they tell you that is all there is-you need the FULL records-there was a chap on here a few weeks ago who was "short changed" on his fathers records and INSISTED that they pull the file again and guess what?- yes they found more forms, just like the ones on my album. Keep on at them;)

    Lesley

    ps Oh and don't let them say it will take around 12 months to get them, you've already paid your money and got nothing much, so they really should get their finger out and send you the correct ones straight away!!


    Wedgetail,

    I agree with Lesley, re-contact the records office and ask them to supply the full record that you previously paid for.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  19. lionboxer

    lionboxer Member Patron

    Is Wedgetail still active on the forum?
     

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