Wartime Christmas

Discussion in 'General' started by Owen, Dec 16, 2006.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    A thread to think of Christmas in the War years.



    Found this here. Nice and Christmassy.
    The Photo Section (Part Two)

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    View from other side
    Fluchschrift - Deutsche Verbrechen

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    Exponat: Kollektives Gedächtnis: Friedrich Gerlach - Weihnachten 1943

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    Propaganda - Frauenwarte

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    Feldgrau :: Kriegsweihnachten: Reflections on Christmas during WWII

    Some great stories on this last link.

    Such as Christmas 1943.
    "That evening there were fifteen suicides in the division, hearts broken from the strain of so many months of separation and suffering."



    Then from the fall of Hong Kong.
    Name:MOIR, ANDREW M
    Initials:A M
    Nationality:Canadian
    Rank:Rifleman
    Regiment/Service:Royal Rifles of Canada, R.C.I.C.
    Date of Death:25/12/1941
    Service No:C/65625
    Casualty Type:Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference:5. C. Coll. grave 4-20.
    Cemetery:STANLEY MILITARY CEMETERY


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    Direct from Hong Kong - December 2 - Veterans Affairs Canada
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    A couple of period ads from the Motorcycle publications.

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  4. 51highland

    51highland Very Senior Member

    Christmas cards sent home by my Father during the war years. 1940, Liverpool Scottish, 1943 Camerons in Sicily & 1944 Camerons in the Ardennes, and photo of 5th Camerons preparing xmas dinner in the Desert 1942.
     

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  5. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

  6. jamesicus

    jamesicus Senior Member

    For all those soldiers who have ever eaten at an impromptu field kitchen ..........

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    Battle of the Bulge - Christmas 1944
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    From the Gallery:
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  8. Lucy Stag

    Lucy Stag Senior Member

    Great stuff, everyone! That Battle of the Bulge photo is a great one, do you know the photographer?
     
  9. ErikH

    ErikH Senior Member

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    Christmas in Hell


    Some 63 years ago today men of the First Canadian Division and their German counterparts spent Christmas in Hell.

    December 1943
    A time, a place
    branding them far below the skin
    searing the soul
    its own veil of tears

    They grow old
    Where do memories
    go when covered by earth?
    Tears cried that unholy Christmas
    never dried
    mixed with blood
    they grasped the soil
    holding secretly silently
    beneath our feet
    the history of the streets

    Almost sixty years past
    and the life above
    sings in Italian
    Lovers stroll embracing,
    new life to come

    Amigos lean towards each other in cafes
    sip espresso, red wine
    laughter mixed with smoke rises
    surrounding their friendship

    And outside children of children
    who have never known war
    point fingers and shoot
    bullets of innocence

    While just out of town
    under stones of sadness
    one thousand three hundred and seventy five
    Canadian sons, husbands and fathers
    left behind so long ago
    guard this peace
    with mute testimony
    "This heaven was once hell." - David Cale

    Today if you could spare a moment, remember those on both sides who fell in this bloody battle.
     
  10. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Thanks Erik - I always think of my Dad who spent the Christmas of 1944 in Italy somewhere near Rimini, after the terrible battles on the Gothic Line. Had a nice chat with him today.
     
  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi Paul

    Certain dates always ring bells with me.

    May I quote from a short story I posted onto the BBC WW2 Archives?

    Saturday 1st. January 1944
    Spent in Carovilli in the Central sector. Snow, cold, damp but still had a very good Xmas.
    Sunday 2nd. January 1944
    Spent most evenings with Fioccas, very nice people. Troops are getting it rough at Vastgirade due to the cold

    The format for most of the troops in Italy on entering a village for the first time was to establish themselves with an Italian household. Instead of spending off-duty evenings in our un-comfortable billets, one could then relax in front of a roaring wood fire. Inevitably one brought spare rations for the mother of the family, which were thrown into the communal cooking pot.
    We then ate an evening meal with the rest of the family.
    In Carovilli I found myself in the household of the village priest, Signor Fiocca, and we spent many evenings discussing theological matters including how could a nice boy like me be Jewish!
    In my Album I still have a photograph of the Priest’s two younger sisters, Delya and Iola.
    One interesting aspect of the month or so we spent there was the time that one of the lads went down with pneumonia. We were completely cut off from other units by snowdrifts some 2O feet high and when we radioed for help were told to enlist the help of the local convent.
    We moved Peter, I have forgotten his second name, to the convent, and they took over completely and probably saved his life. We used to visit him occasionally to see how he was getting on and on the last occasion found him sleeping in a huge chapel with altar candles placed near his head and feet for all the world like a monarch lying in state. When he saw us he said: "For Christ's sake get me out of here!" Apparently he had woken out of his fever to find himself lying in that manner and thought that he must be dead!
    Another clear memory was coming out of our billets one morning to see ski tracks of a German Patrol who had calmly come through the village and made their escape without bothering us
     
  12. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Great story Ron!
     
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Great story Ron, please post more.
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  14. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Paul & Owen

    Whilst browsing some earlier entries on this site it occurred to me that I never brought you up to date on the sequel to my Carovilli story.

    Through the good offices of an Italian website called “a Trieste” someone sent me a list of Fioccas in a telephone book and by writing to all of them I was finally able to make contact with another sister of Signor Fiocca and her daughter.

    Sadly, all the folk who I remember from Carovilli are no longer alive but the family have made me welcome and thanked me for reviving memories of those times.
    I have also been sent a lovely contemporary snap of the priest and his niece, who is now the young lady with whom I have made contact.

    Cheers

    Ron
     

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  15. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Thought you might like to see a follow up to my Carovilli story.

    Somone in the US googling "Carovilli" came across my story on the BBC Archives and has very recently been in touch with me.

    He is a close relative of the Fiocca family and has stayed at the house in Carovilli which is still owned by the family.

    Below I show two snaps, one taken of the Priest and his family in front of the house I used to visit and another snap taken recently by my new-found American friend.

    You see........ sometimes nothing changes :)

    Ron
     

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  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Great story Ron

    thanks
     
  17. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Just looked at my fathers war diaries to see where he was at Christmas 1944.

    The 4th Reconnaissance Regt were pulled from Forli to a Transit camp at Toranto and arrived in the early hours at the camp, where they stayed until embarking on LST's 36 and 62 to Piraieus, Greece, arriving there on 30th December 1944.

    He always stated that it was his New Years Present from the army, being sent to Greece.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  18. Damiano

    Damiano In the shadow of Monte Cassino

    Great Story Ron! Carovilli is in Molise (IS) South Italy?

    All the best, Gurdjieff
     
  19. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Nice posts lads.

    Tom, I'll bet your dad was happy alright to be posted there from Italy.
     
  20. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    ErikH
    Thanks for the post My father was in Italyat that time probably not to far from them I beleive at the time they came under the 4th Armoured Division.
    As such all who fought there are never far from my thoughts.

    Seasons Greetings
    Oldman
     

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