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Discussion in 'Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback' started by sapper, May 22, 2005.

  1. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Break what rules? Come on now! speak your mind.....Is it because I tell the truth? and perhaps you find it "uncomfortable"
    Sapper
     
  2. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by sapper@May 22 2005, 08:09 PM
    Break what rules? Come on now! speak your mind.....Is it because I tell the truth? and perhaps you find it "uncomfortable"
    Sapper
    [post=34707]Quoted post[/post]

    Every member of the forum has this, except the moderators. Why the moderators don't have it I don't know - you would need to ask Lee.

    The rules are as shown in board guidelines - see the top of the page.

    As I said, this is a feature which came with the software and is not something invented by the forum.
     
  3. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    Sapper,

    Its really not something worth us falling out over or you feeling that we are trying to intimidate you, if there was an issue then I can assure you we would speak to you first.

    The site has grown quite rapidly over the short time of its life, we need control as there have been people who join with the specific purpose of antagonizing other members. In the past we simply ban them and thats final.

    However several discussions within the moderator forum have taken place where we all collectively agreed that in instead of just banning people we put in place a set of forum rules so that everyone knows what we dont perceive as acceptable. They are not designed in any way to be suppressive in terms of anyones views.

    The guidelines are can be found here:

    http://www.ww2talk.com/index.php?act=boardrules

    I am sure you will agree they are not unreasonable.

    In relation to the warning system, this was put in place so that if these rules were broken repeatedly then we could offer a warning rather than simply banning people. So if you get a warning the % indicator will increase and you can view the reason you got warned.

    The moderators when doing this can decide to either suspend, ban or simply moderate all of a members postings for a certain time to ensure they are appropriate.

    Now it would be unfair to publicly display to every forum member what each persons warning level is, as a result I have set this up in such a way that only you and moderators can see your warning level, so nobody else can see your level, and you cant see anyone elses.

    So I think thats where your concern comes from, it looks as if your the only person who has the warning bar on your profile. This is not the case, everyone has the warning bar, but each can only see their own.

    As I said, its not that we are trying to suppress personal opinion, but this system provides a better system to let people know they have done something wrong, rather than the old system of simply banning someone from the forums.

    I hope that makes the matter clearer.

    Regards
     
  4. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Originally posted by sapper@May 22 2005, 08:09 PM
    Break what rules? Come on now! speak your mind.....Is it because I tell the truth? and perhaps you find it "uncomfortable"
    Sapper
    [post=34707]Quoted post[/post]
    I think you're taking this a bit personally Sapper. Given that it appears beside everyone elses posts too, maybe its because we all tell the truth!!! Angie was only trying to explain a feature to you that is there for ALL of us and you have reacted as if she has offended you. Warnings apply to everyone.

    And another thing: There is nothing wrong with reading. Unfortunately I was not alive at the time of the Second world War and therefore I have to learn somewhere. Therefore I have to read source material as is available to me. I take your point that a lot of books on the war are biased and it is up to me to determine what is truth and what is fiction. However you seem to infer that the only way to learn the truth is to listen to people who have been there. I disagree with you in that the truth is contained in both books and veterans testimonies. Veterans can (and do) provide valuable insights into a campaign and what happened but to rely on that totally may not provide the "ful picture" at both strategic as well as Tactical level.

    Time is marching on and soon most of the veterans will pass away and then what will be left . Only the "popular Drivel that you find in books". Before you completely disregard this source, Sapper, kindly remember that this may be the only way of remembering World war II in years to come and making posts like that do nothing to encourage people with potential interest in the subject to investigate further.

    Apologies if this is off topic
     
  5. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Point taken!
    But when I find a warning sign alongside my postings. my reaction immediately is what this for? Why not?
    What is wrong with asking why it is there?
    Thanks Lee, for taking the time to explain.
    Cheers. Sapper
     
  6. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    I think its probably fair to say that I did not explain the point that you can only see your warning level properly when I activated that part of the forum.

    I will re-iterate this point in the next newsletter.
     
  7. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Cheers!
    Sapper
     
  8. Friedrich H

    Friedrich H Senior Member

    I think you're taking this a bit personally Sapper. Given that it appears beside everyone elses posts too, maybe its because we all tell the truth!!! Angie was only trying to explain a feature to you that is there for ALL of us and you have reacted as if she has offended you. Warnings apply to everyone.

    And another thing: There is nothing wrong with reading. Unfortunately I was not alive at the time of the Second world War and therefore I have to learn somewhere. Therefore I have to read source material as is available to me. I take your point that a lot of books on the war are biased and it is up to me to determine what is truth and what is fiction. However you seem to infer that the only way to learn the truth is to listen to people who have been there. I disagree with you in that the truth is contained in both books and veterans testimonies. Veterans can (and do) provide valuable insights into a campaign and what happened but to rely on that totally may not provide the "ful picture" at both strategic as well as Tactical level.

    Time is marching on and soon most of the veterans will pass away and then what will be left . Only the "popular Drivel that you find in books". Before you completely disregard this source, Sapper, kindly remember that this may be the only way of remembering World war II in years to come and making posts like that do nothing to encourage people with potential interest in the subject to investigate further.

    Apologies if this is off topic

    Gotthard, you are precisely talking to a veteran (and can assure he is). I most gently ask you and everyone else to keep the tone of your posts accordingly: not to show his the same respects as to other members, but actually a higher level of respect.
     
  9. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Originally posted by Friedrich H@May 23 2005, 11:18 PM
    I think you're taking this a bit personally Sapper. Given that it appears beside everyone elses posts too, maybe its because we all tell the truth!!! Angie was only trying to explain a feature to you that is there for ALL of us and you have reacted as if she has offended you. Warnings apply to everyone.

    And another thing: There is nothing wrong with reading. Unfortunately I was not alive at the time of the Second world War and therefore I have to learn somewhere. Therefore I have to read source material as is available to me. I take your point that a lot of books on the war are biased and it is up to me to determine what is truth and what is fiction. However you seem to infer that the only way to learn the truth is to listen to people who have been there. I disagree with you in that the truth is contained in both books and veterans testimonies. Veterans can (and do) provide valuable insights into a campaign and what happened but to rely on that totally may not provide the "ful picture" at both strategic as well as Tactical level.

    Time is marching on and soon most of the veterans will pass away and then what will be left . Only the "popular Drivel that you find in books". Before you completely disregard this source, Sapper, kindly remember that this may be the only way of remembering World war II in years to come and making posts like that do nothing to encourage people with potential interest in the subject to investigate further.

    Apologies if this is off topic

    Gotthard, you are precisely talking to a veteran (and can assure he is). I most gently ask you and everyone else to keep the tone of your posts accordingly: not to show his the same respects as to other members, but actually a higher level of respect.
    [post=34750]Quoted post[/post]

    Ok! point taken. I should and will apologise to Sapper if the tone of my post was in any way derogatory towards him or indeed any other veteran. Sapper, if you were offended I am sorry. My post was hastily written and I do disagree with your views take on books about the war but my intention was not to diminish the valuable contributions that you and other veterans make to this board. So once again, humble apologies. :)
     
  10. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Friedrich.
    Thank you for that.
    The reason that I write on the internet, is for one reason only. That is, to ensure as far as possible, that those that fell, and those that lived with the discomfort of their wounds for the last 60 years plus, will be remembered. For all our fighting comrades, from any Nation....

    It is also my intention, again as far as it is within my power, to make the truth be known of what happened in those far off days. Not the Hollywood versions. many of those versions, that through constant repitition, have now become established fact, and now in the publics mind make up the legend of D Day and the Battle for Europe. A little fresh air of truth cannot be anything but welcome?

    My company, and my Division, had the unwanted priviledge of taking part in every battle from Sword Beach to the final Victory in Bremen..The only division to do so.

    My company went all the way, with many dear friends lost on the journey. Sadly, I was wounded in Normandy, and still carry the metal around with me.

    Then again, I was severely wounded on the German border in Holland, I am now 100% war disabled, I do know a little about war and action.
    Sapper
     
  11. Wise1

    Wise1 There We Are Then

    Please note that although the warning levels are still in place, nobody can see any of the levels with the exception of the admins and mods.

    If you receive a warning you will get a pm advising you of this.

    I hope that take the heat out of this subject and hopefully although the system exists it wont need to be used.

    Again its main reasons for use are stated above.
     

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