W G Hollingsworth Lancashire Fulsiliers

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  1. Charlie Clark

    Charlie Clark Member

    Hello
    I am doing research on the above who is on a war memorial at my work in Edinburgh and i have now found out is on a memorial in Salford.
    I am a bit puzzled how he was in the Lancashire Fusiliers when he and the family came from the Hansdsworth area of Birmingham.
    He died in 1944 and is remembered at Kohima in India.
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    It was the BRITISH Army , men were sent to whatever regiment they were needed no matter where they were from.
     
  3. Charlie Clark

    Charlie Clark Member

    Ok cheers
     
  4. RCG

    RCG Senior Member, Deceased

    Also makes a difference being an officer.

    Captain. Wilfred George Hollingsworth.

    Rank: Captain

    Service No:149293

    Date of Death: 28/04/1944 (Born 1909)

    Age: 34

    Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers /8th Bn.

    Grave Reference: 1. A. 12.

    Cemetery:

    KOHIMA WAR CEMETERY

    Additional Information:

    Son of Edward Humphrey Vincent and Florence Maria Hollingsworth, of Birmingham

    husband of Constance Josephine Hollingsworth, of Streetly, Birmingham.
    1908 - 1990 married in 1936.
     
  5. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    I am assuming this is him?

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2601548/HOLLINGSWORTH,%20WILFRID%20GEORGE
    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=18858985&ref=acom

    When doing your research you need to be aware that his name appears to be spelt differently from time to time.

    GRO Birth Register Q4 1909, West Bromwich
    Hollingsworth, Wilfred George

    GRO Marriage Register Q3 1936, Birmingham
    Hollingsworth, Wilfrid G

    GRO War Deaths
    Hollingsworth, Wilfrid G, 2nd Lt, Lancashire Fusiliers, Year 1944, Volume 2, Page 215

    Probate Indexes show Wilfrid

    On the 1911 Census, which was handwritten by his father, Edward, the spelling of his name is not totally clear, but I am fairly sure it is Wilfred.

    The handwritten baptism record for 6 October 1909 shows Wilfred.
     
  6. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi,

    As the other members have said, you went where there was a need. My grandfather was born and bred in Hampstead, North London, and he was posted to the Deveonshire Regiment and then transferred to the King's Liverpool's a while later.
     
  7. Charlie Clark

    Charlie Clark Member

    Hi all. Thanks for the replys. I did notice the difference in spelling
     
  8. Steve Parkin 1150

    Steve Parkin 1150 New Member

    Hi
    Having been decimated at Dunkirk the 8th Lancashire fusiliers were very short on men.
    Maybe this was the reason
     
  9. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    From the London Gazette:

    The undermentioned Cadets from 161st, 162nd, 164th, 165th and I70th O.C.T.U's., to be 2nd Lts. except as otherwise stated. 21st Sept. 1940: —
    INFANTRY
    Lan. Fus.
    Wilfrid George HOLLINGSWORTH (149293)
    5777

    Army Roll of Honour 1939-1945 on ancestry.co.uk gives original unit as Royal Engineers, so maybe went to OCTU from the ranks rather than direct from enlistment:

    Name: Wilfred Hollingsworth
    Given Initials: W
    Rank: Captain
    Death Date: 28 Apr 1944
    Number: 149293
    Birth Place: Staffordshire
    Residence: Birmingham
    Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Engineers
    Branch at Enlistment: Infantry
    Theatre of War: Burma
    Regiment at Death: Lancashire Fusiliers
    Branch at Death: Infantry

    Some factories and works & Post Office Departments had associated R.E. Territorial Army Battalions pre war. I met someone many years ago who was in the RE TA attached to Southampton University while he was studying engineering there in the 90's. Maybe your company or one of its former incarnations is a clue here, esp if they had a works in the Birmingham area.

    Travers
     
  10. Charlie Clark

    Charlie Clark Member

  11. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

  12. Ben Hughes

    Ben Hughes New Member

    Hi Charlie

    Are you still doing research your on Captain Hollingsworth? Wilfrid Hollingsworth is my wife's granddad. I'm not sure the family are aware his name is on a memorial in Edinburgh.

    Ben
     
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  13. Andrew Sunter

    Andrew Sunter New Member

    Ben, my partner works for the same company as Charlie does. she's interested in war memorials and is currently researching the people listed on it. perhaps we could help each other?

    the company was an old Scottish investments firm called Scottish Equitable. the war memorial was in their office in central Edinburgh until they were taken over by a Dutch firm in the 90s. the office, and memorial, were moved to an purpose built office on the outskirts of Edinburgh.

    I'm wondering how someone born in Birmingham came to be working for an Edinburgh based company. did he come up here to work, or did they have branches in England.

    I've attached a pic of the memorial for you.
     

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  14. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    From the 1939 Kellys Directory of Birmingham

    Screenshot 2021-09-22 at 15.28.29.png

    Other directories show the Scot Equitable had been at 3 Newhall Street since at least 1913, and the firm is listed before that from as early as 1892 in Birmingham. Listings also show for Liverpool, City of London, Bristol & Notts.

    Could they have had agents who visited peoples houses like "the man from the Pru", as well as workers in the office.

    Looked for Wilfred's occupation on the 1939 Register, but he is not shown, only his wife & one redacted record. Perhaps suggesting that he was already in the army, maybe as a mobilised Territorial.
     
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