Either we are now waaaaaaay of toppic or Heimbrent is suggesting that the Vatican knew that the Chineese had always planned to dress their soldires in green leotards with twinkly lights on them. Is that why the Japanese invaded? Does the Bushido code expressly forbid the killing of Forest Star Childeren spirits or something? Has anyone told Dan Brown?
Shall we move along? This one's about run it's course hasn't it. There's some WW2 stuff coming from the vatican, maybe it'll help a bit with the history of WW2, or maybe it won't be anything new. Suspect we'll just have to wait and see what it contains, otherwise we're into pure speculation really aren't we. Unless anyone's got a real timescale of when they're releasing these records? By the way, I'm not accusing Dillon of stirring. (He can't know how these subjects can go around here after all! ). Just a teeny smidge of site-promotion while not mentioning it's his site - not too much wrong with that as long as it doesn't get spammy and stays on WW2-related stuff . ~A
Gotthard - I thought it was an extension of Pius XII's thoughts that the biggest threat to mankind was Communism as opposed to the National Socialism of Hitler and his gang when I wrote that bit as it certainly seems on going to me - with the Lisbon treaty I mean....or do you think it's a good thing that Brussels will now rule everybody in Europe ? That's another thread entirely surely ? Communism really started in 1917 and here it is 2010 - looks like 93 years to me when Hitler lasted only 13 years -but I did think it was part and parcel of a contribution to the thread - you could be right of course - nothing to do with the Archives of the Vatican - but I am fairly sure his thoughts on that difference will be recorded - somewhere.... Cheers
Gotthard - I thought it was an extension of Pius XII's thoughts that the biggest threat to mankind was Communism as opposed to the National Socialism of Hitler and his gang when I wrote that bit as it certainly seems on going to me - with the Lisbon treaty I mean....or do you think it's a good thing that Brussels will now rule everybody in Europe ? That's another thread entirely surely ? Communism really started in 1917 and here it is 2010 - looks like 93 years to me when Hitler lasted only 13 years -but I did think it was part and parcel of a contribution to the thread - you could be right of course - nothing to do with the Archives of the Vatican - but I am fairly sure his thoughts on that difference will be recorded - somewhere.... Cheers Tom, this thread was set up to talk about Vatican Archive documents being released not the connection between Communism and the Lisbon Treaty. That has nothing to do with the thread, the area it is in or WW2. If you want to debate the Lisbon Treaty then this is the wrong area, if you think I am being close minded then lets do it by pm but not on this thread. Would you agree ? I'd hate to close the thread but any more debate about Lisbon and I will. And why? Because it is drifting well off course and despite VP's trojan efforts it seems you are determined to force this thread onto a subject which has nothing to do with the Vatican documents being released. Maybe it is an extension of Pius's thoughts about Communism and maybe not but again that STILL has nothing to do with the release of the Vatican Documents. You surely arent going to force me to close it , now are you??
Mit brennender Sorge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Here's a link to it. It was read from the pulpit of Catholic Churches all over Germany in 1937. A very interesting article, describing well the impact it had on Germany, as well as the reaction by the authorities. We have to bear in mind that the Reich contained large mainly Catholic areas, like Austria and the Southern part, including Bavaria. The complete text in English is here, worth the read. We have to bear in mind that this was spoken from the pulpit all over the reich, in straight and unashamed contradiction to the Party propaganda, as set forth by Göbbels. Also we have to remember that it was Hitler's reticence that spared the Cath.Ch. from suppression, as desired by more radical members of the Party, foremost among them Göbbels and the SS. Which wasn't an impossibility, as the Jehovah Witnesses had already been entirely prohibited and their more recalcitrant members sent to the camps. I suppose the Catholics would be too many for that to work in the short term.
Gotthard - You are of course completely free to do as you will at anytime as far as I am concerned, however as regards to Archives - I was merely attempting to state that his thoughts on the biggest dangers to humanity will be recorded somewhere in the Archives in some form ! The intial poster was concerned about the lack of Archives which might - I have to assume - have proven Pius XII's indifference to the atrocities committed by the Nazi's, on the face of it this might be why he was silent about the Holocaust and so I was only trying to advance another reason for his alleged silence - it seems I put it badly perhaps ? This may be so - we might find out in five years time - I was merely pointing out that Pius XII felt that the Communist threat was much more of a danger - to ALL of the worlds population - now since WW2 - the communists are still spreading their errors across the world - as he feared. I just thought it might be relevant - obviously you don't - so I am not about to engage in a dialogue of the deaf and I shall hold to Adams plea Cheers
Gotthard - I just thought it might be relevant - obviously you don't - so I am not about to engage in a dialogue of the deaf and I shall hold to Adams plea Cheers Thats fantastic so Tom
At the risk of scratching this itchy old thread. Full Pius archives to be opened: Pius XII: Vatican to open secret Holocaust-era archives
I wonder what's in the archives regarding prisoners of war who had taken refuge there. does anhyone have a contents list?
Searched "World War Two and this is all that came up V. Search Not tried searching using Italian yet. Kind regards, always, Jim.
