Us bronze star medal

Discussion in 'General' started by SPERO56, Nov 4, 2009.

  1. SPERO56

    SPERO56 Member

    Guys

    Do any of you know how I would go about looking up how my late grandfather was awarded the US Bronze Star. we have the medal but no documentation with it. What was it normally awarded for and is there any way of finding out how he was awarded it? Where would I begin? Many thanks
     
  2. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

    It would probably help if you posted your grandfathers service details.

    Regards
    Peter
     
  3. SPERO56

    SPERO56 Member

    Thanks Peter - good point. Here you go.

    Major Frank William Purvis P/113629 - Reconnaissance Corps

    Enlisted as 6970645 at London into the Rife Brigade TA - 05.09.39
    Posted to 164th Officer Cadet Training Unit - 15.9.39
    Discharged to a commission - 13.1.40
    Appointed to an Emergency Commission as 2nd Lieutenant into the Queens Own Royal West Kent Regiment - 14.1.40
    Joined Infantry Training Centre - 29.1.40
    Embarked for BEF - 5.2.40
    Joined No1 Infantry Base Depot (France) - 8.2.40
    Returned UK from BEF - 3.6.40
    Posted to 1st Battalion - 29.6.40
    Posted to Anti-Tank Company 12th Infantry Brigade 7.9.40
    Posted to 6th Battalion Black Watch and appointed Acting Captain 24.11.40
    Posted to 4th Battalion Reconnaisance Corps - 8.141
    Transferred to Reconnaissance Corps 14.1.41
    To be temporary Captain War Substantive Lieutenant with 4th Battalion - 24.2.41
    To be adjutant 4th Recc Corps - 12.2.43
    Embarked for overseas - 13.3.43
    Disembarked North Africa - 23.2.43
    Moved from British North Africa Force to Middle East Force - 15.12.43
    Moved from Middle East Force to British North Africa Force 28.2.44
    Permanently attached to HQ Indian Division to be Deputy Assistant Adjutant General (Malaria) 10 Indian Division with rank of Lt Colonel - 5.12.44
    Relinquished appointment of DAAG (Malaria) 10 Indian Division 15.7.45
    Attached to 65 Transit Camp on Disembarkation - 23.7.45
    Released - 22.1.46
    Relinquished commission and granted the honorary rank of Major - 30.06.57
    Medals - 1939-45 Star, Africa Sra with 1st Army Clasp; Italy Star, Defence Medal, War Medal 1939-45, Mentioned in Despatched London Gazette 23.5.46; Bronze Star 1945
     
  4. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    I don't know the answer to your question, but for non-US personnel to be awarded the Bronze Star, my understanding is that they must have been assigned to or operating with US forces. I don't see any such assignment in your grandfather's service details. Do you have any idea as to which of these assignments might have put him in close relationships to the Yanks? That might help figure out what he did to earn the BS. Doc
     
  5. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    I was not aware that it could be officially awarded to persons who were not members of the the US Armed Forces. This is not to say that he could not have been awarded one in an unofficial capacity...
     
  6. SPERO56

    SPERO56 Member

    That's what i thought but we have the medal with his name on it. Any idea where I start to look?
     
  7. SPERO56

    SPERO56 Member

    Doc - I believe it was in Italy. After Monte Cassino he was working with the US army on some malaria issue - apparently the germans encouraged the spread of mosquitoes in lowland italy prior to the Allied invasion and somehow he was working with something called the malaria division.
     
  8. Phaethon

    Phaethon Historian

    A lot of british and commonwealth forces made up the US 5th army; it was not unusual for members to be given foreign service medals whilst in this capacity. For specialist units ths likely hood probably increased as they were more divisional/corps/army based.
     
  9. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    Jeff, yes it can be-- that is specifically covered in the regulations.

    SPER056, that would sound reasonable. People in positions like that are exactly the ones who would get such an award, especially if the mosquito project was successful.

    Unfortunately, I can't give any guidance as to how to track down an award document. 5th Army Medical History might be of some help, if one exists. Doc
     
  10. militarycross

    militarycross Very Senior Member

    SPER056

    Could you take a picture of the back of the BS and post it. I have one that was issued to a Cdn who served with FSSF and only recently did the member get his award from the US. I'd like to compare the engraving styles.

    thanks.

    phil
     
  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Spero56

    You just reminded me that my old tank commander "Busty" Thomas also had the bronze star:

    Thomas, William
    Warrant Officer Class 2
    7340821
    Royal Armoured Corps, 4 Queen's Own Hussars
    Foreign to British: USA
    Bronze Star


    Ron
     
  12. SPERO56

    SPERO56 Member

    Guys

    Thanks so much for the advice and help. Will get a picture up and the presentation box in the next few days. spero
     
  13. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Jeff, yes it can be-- that is specifically covered in the regulations.

    SPER056, that would sound reasonable. People in positions like that are exactly the ones who would get such an award, especially if the mosquito project was successful.

    Unfortunately, I can't give any guidance as to how to track down an award document. 5th Army Medical History might be of some help, if one exists. Doc

    I'll not argue with you, I looked for the regulations before I posted, but the only thing I could find was this:

    While serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service

    I guess "with" could mean persons from other nations?:lol:
     
  14. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    Jeff, see AR 600-8-22: "1–38. U.S. awards to foreign military personnel
    a. It is the Department of Defense policy to recognize individual acts of heroism, extraordinary achievement or meritorious achievement on the part of service members of friendly foreign nations when such acts have been of significant benefit to the United States or materially contributed to the successful prosecution of a military campaign by
    Armed Forces of the United States. Such acts or achievements will be recognized through the award of an individual U.S. decoration.
    b. U.S. campaign and service medals will not be awarded to members of foreign military establishments.
    c. Foreign military personnel in ranks comparable to the grade of 0–6 and below, at the time the act was performed and at the time the decoration is presented, may be awarded the following military decorations:
    (1) The Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star Medal, or the Air Medal for valorous acts in actual combat in direct support of military operations.
    (3) The Bronze Star Medal for meritorious service in direct support of combat operations.
    3–14. Bronze Star Medal
    a. The Bronze Star Medal was established by Executive Order 9419, 4 February 1944 (superseded by Executive Order 11046, 24 August 1962, as amended by Executive Order 13286, 28 February 2003).
    b. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, in connection with military operations against an armed enemy."

    This is from the 2006 edition of the regulation. I do not have available the WW2 version, but I suspect it was not very different.



    Doc
     
  15. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    Sorry, I don't know why that one posted twice. If moderators could remove one of the duplicate posts, I would appreciate it. Doc
     
  16. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Doc

    You can easily delete your own post .

    EDIT
    DELETE

    Confirm the delete

    Done !

    Cheers

    Ron
     
  17. Doc

    Doc Senior Member

    Ron, thanks for the suggestion, but when I click on "Edit", I do not get any kind of a "delete"button. Where is it? Thanks again. Doc
     
  18. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Doc

    Have a look below.

    These are the options that pop up for me when I hit the EDIT button.
    As you can see, one of the options is DELETE.

    I wonder if this is one of those options that is controlled by the moderators ?

    Perhaps one would care to comment ?

    Ron
     

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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Those with 'Veteran' status can delete their own posts - been meaning to switch on delete powers for all for ages - will do so now and see how it goes. ~A


    Edit - Hmmm, normal members should already be able to delete their own posts, that's the way it's set up at the mo - this may take a while to find the right setting.

    Edit2 - looks like I'd have to go through every forum and allow 'custom' permissions for each usergroup - for ease of admin reasons and keeping everything as 'standard' as possible in the settings (it's been a non-standard mess in the past, and took a while to get running smoothly) I'm not willing to do this until I've checked a few more things - Apologies.
     
  20. SPERO56

    SPERO56 Member

    Guys

    Here we go - not the best quality but this is the US Bronze Star awarded to my grandfather - his name is n the back of the box - Major FW Purvis. Not sure this helps at all. Apologies for the picture quality but let me know if there is something else I should look for on the award that could tell me more.
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