Unloved looking plots/gravestones

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by Pieter F, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. Pieter F

    Pieter F Very Senior Member

    I had a short change of thoughts about this subject two weeks ago with Ramacal and Philip (see undermentioned). Luckily, you don't see them too often and it just are exeptions. Although, it gives me an uncomfortable feeling when I see such a place. This is not the way to treat the graves of those who gave their lives in the Second World War..

    Roosendaal-en-Nispen Roman Catholic Cemetery

    A rather sorry looking weed ridden plot. The first I've seen in the Netherlands that looks rather unloved.:(

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    I agree with you, Rob. Have you also visited the general cemetery, a couple of hundred metres down the road? That looked even more sorry. For me, it wasn't the first plot I visited which looked unloved unfortunatelly.

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    This picture has been taken at Tilburg (Gilzerbaan) general cemetery. You can hardly see it's the grave of Corporal Percy W. Grainger. This plot could have used some maintenance.
     
  2. Pieter F

    Pieter F Very Senior Member

    Another example. I visited the town of Molenaarsgraaf last tuesday to take pictures of the buried Allied airmen at the churchyard. But the front side of the gravestones was hardly visible.

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  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Contact the CWGC & they can inform their relevent maintenance department.


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  4. Pieter F

    Pieter F Very Senior Member

    Contact the CWGC & they can inform their relevent maintenance department.


    >>> :: CWGC ::

    I've done that, thank you Owen.
     
  5. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA Patron

    Do CWGC pay for maintenance of plots abroad that are not in specific CWGC cemeteries?
     
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    A few here differnet cemeteries
    i spoke to the groundsman on each occasion and asked them to clear when they can
     

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  7. Pieter F

    Pieter F Very Senior Member

    Are these gravestones on cemeteries in England?
     
  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Are these gravestones on cemeteries in England?


    hello Pieter

    yes they are
     
  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Are these gravestones on cemeteries in England?

    Sadly we don't seem to care very much about our war dead buried in the UK unless its a military cemetery.

    I've seen worse than those posted. I must say I'm a bit surprised by the ones in Holland.
     
  10. CTNana

    CTNana Member Patron

    My husband and I visited a cemetery in London for Spidge which reduced both of us to tears. It had been segregated into Muslim and Christian (no idea if there are religious reasons for this but we thought it sad), one side pristine and the other totally neglected and some graves even dug up. I did report it to the council but not the CWGC.

    I've since changed computers but if I can find out which one it was, I'll contact them.

    p.s. I should add that the majority that we visited in London, Middlesex, Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire & Northamptonshire gave us a lump in the throat because they were still so well cared for.
     
  11. Pieter F

    Pieter F Very Senior Member

    the majority gave us a lump in the throat because they were still so well cared for.

    I agree. When you sometimes hear people who are taking care of a grave for already 65 years or more, it absolutely does.
     
  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    I must add that I have visited quite few in the UK over the past year and on the whole the level of care is very good .
    Churchyards where the Church is still active and maintained by volunteers is usually very well kept.
    The larger Cemeteries are rather mixed and again the local authorities do try to maintain some order,however you do get the odd area that is overgrown.
     
  13. Oggie2620

    Oggie2620 Senior Member

    There was a little churchyard that I visited for Spidge in Cambridgeshire (think it was Wyton) and even though the Church is now a private house the little churchyard which was slightly separated was immaculate.... such a shame when these peoples graves go unloved.
     
  14. WhiskeyGolf

    WhiskeyGolf Senior Member

    Full credit to Whyteleaf (St Luke) Cemetary - they maintain the CWGC graves beautifully.

    However when visiting a church graveyard in Lancashire last year to put flowers on my grandparents graves I was totally disgusted. We spent an hour searching through waist-high grass, weeds and broken headstones to try and find their graves, only to come up empty handed. I was so shocked at the state of the place I marched across the road to the vicar's house, handed her the flowers we had brought to put on the graves, and told her she should be ashamed of herself and to clean the place up then put the flowers on my grandparents graves when she was able to locate them!
     
  15. 17thDYRCH

    17thDYRCH Senior Member

    Wendy,
    Good on you for voicing your concern.

    Pieter, I visited the three main Canadian Cemeteries in Holland in 2004. Not a blade of grass out of place...very well maintained.

    Randy
     
  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I was so shocked at the state of the place I marched across the road to the vicar's house, handed her the flowers we had brought to put on the graves, and told her she should be ashamed of herself and to clean the place up then put the flowers on my grandparents graves when she was able to locate them!

    It's not the Vicar's job to look after the graveyard, I think it's the church councils job.
     
  17. TomTAS

    TomTAS Very Senior Member

    Hi All,

    I find this interesting I've been to a good few now UK Holland Germany... And yet the ones I find that are not cared for that much is over here.. The poeple in all are very helpfull when you tell them what your doing but some in the UK your be better off joining bird watch UK :)
     
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  18. WhiskeyGolf

    WhiskeyGolf Senior Member

    It's not the Vicar's job to look after the graveyard, I think it's the church councils job.

    You're probably right Owen, but it's still her church and she lived 5 steps away from the graveyard. Unfortunately I had a plane to catch and was running late so wasn't in the best of moods to start hunting down the local church council. :D
     
  19. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    This was the biggest disgrace I have seen. Kensal Green (All Souls) in London

    Judy persisted with the manager for a few months and they finally had it cleared.

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  20. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    As a regular stroller of Graveyards, I quite like some overgrown municipal/church cemeteries.
    There's been the odd one I've known that was tidied up and the tidying eradicated all 'character'. Or worse; tidied up following some nebulous belief that 'Health & Safety' requires laying down slightly wobbly stones. (Health & safety do not make these demands - nervous/overzealous/lazy councils do.)
    I wouldn't necessarily apply the view to blocks of CWGC stones, they usually look best in neat order, but there is sometimes a case for 'romantically neglected' Churchyards.

    If you don't like the look of a UK plot, have a shufti here:
    Home - NATIONAL FEDERATION OF CEMETERY FRIENDS
    There may well already be a mob of interested local chaps that are looking for volunteers.

    There's been some pretty depressing damage at the Gaza CWGC cemetery recently (by both sides).
    Hard to find reportage that isn't grinding an axe, though these Torygraph articles seem pretty calm:
    Fury as Israelis damage war cemetery - Telegraph
    Israel shelled UK war graves in Gaza - Telegraph
    Reading around; Ibrahim Jerradeh MBE, who's repairing the damage, is a top bloke.

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