Unknown RNVR Seaman

Discussion in 'Non-Commemorated War Dead' started by temptage, Jan 30, 2012.

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  1. temptage

    temptage I thought it would only take a few weeks......

    In St Nicolas Churchyard, Great Coates there is a small headstone with the following engraving on it.


    A.E. TRASH
    8 DEC 1941
    2ND HAND RNVR


    I can find no other details on him, as he isnt listed on the CWGC listings or any of the military search engines.

    Can anybody elaborate?
     
  2. izzy

    izzy Senior Member

    Have you checked the Parish Records for Burial details or Local press for an Obituary ?
     
  3. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    Nothing on him as yet. Being 2nd Hand RNVR means he would have served with the trawler section. He is not noted as being a crew member of the trawlers sunk on that day.
    Regards
    Hugh
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    In St Nicolas Churchyard, Great Coates there is a small headstone with the following engraving on it.


    A.E. TRASH
    8 DEC 1941
    2ND HAND RNVR


    I can find no other details on him, as he isnt listed on the CWGC listings or any of the military search engines.

    Can anybody elaborate?


    Hello I have come across a few graves like this.
    You could try emailing CWGC with the details and ask them if they could check their records.
    or contact the church
    St Nicolas, Great Coates - Grimsby | Diocese of Lincoln
    They may have further information in their records

    regards
    Clive
     
  5. temptage

    temptage I thought it would only take a few weeks......

    I have emailed the Vicar of St Nicolas Church and unfortunately he couldnt elaborate. This was his reply.


    Albert Edward Trash (51) of Little Coates was buried in Great Coates churchyard on 12th December 1941, but there are no further details recorded in the register (which is what I would have expected); the neighbouring entry in the register is for the Brett CWGC burial.


    So unfortunately we are no further along. :mad:

    Can anyone else suggest the next step? :unsure:
     
  6. temptage

    temptage I thought it would only take a few weeks......

    Please ignore.
     
  7. Orwell1984

    Orwell1984 Senior Member

  8. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Good day Temptage,

    Could you post a photograph of the headstone to the thread by any chance, please? It may provide some clues to others on this forum willing to assist with your enquiry (e.g. if his wife or other relatives are metioned on the headstone).

    Looking at 'Free BMD' it looks like Mr Trash was married and had at least one son. So there may be close relatives of Mr Trash still living somewhere nearby to Great Coates who could provide you with the information you are asking about.

    From the information you have provided up to now my suggestion is that you could do with establishing Mr Trash's cause of death. I imagine you already know costs can quickly mount up when purchasing death certificates. But in this case, if Mr Trash meets the CWGC criteria for inclusion on their 'Debt of Honour' then they will undoubtedly ask for a copy of the death certificate before adding him to their records.

    Before applying for the death certificate, however, you may be able to see if there was an obituary or 'Death Notice' in the local newspaper at the time of Mr Trash's death. This would not be as expensive and possibly establish the cause of death for you.

    Here is the link for Grimsby Central Library website:
    North East Lincolnshire Council
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    If Mr Trash was a trawler man (a civilian) and did not die as the result of enemy action then he will not be listed by the CWGC. Hugh MacLean is really good in this area. Hugh has already looked it up for you and found that Mr Trash was not a member of a crew of trawlers sunk by enemy action that day.

    Even if Mr Trash is not listed by the CWGC there is no reason to stop you commemorating him on your listing of those from Grimsby & Cleethorpes who died in WW2. If you establish the cause of death you can obviously make an appropriate note in your listings.

    Any chance you will be making a listing of all the Grimsby, Cleethorpes & District 'Roll of Honour' on this website, or on a website of your own by any chance? I regularly visit this area to see relatives and I know some of the churchyards you are likely to be visiting.

    I hope this has helped. Good luck.
     
  9. temptage

    temptage I thought it would only take a few weeks......

    Ritson,

    They know me by my first name in the Library. My brother used to work there. I will make the effort to see if his death was mentioned in an obituary etc. That may save a lot of time and effort in the long run.

    I certainly WONT be visiting ANY of the local Cemeteries again lol. Thats how I started on this long laborious task in the first place. And not just the local ones. So far I have photographed every single CWGC-registered grave in 310 Lincolnshire Cemeteries, burial grounds and memorials. I just have 26 to do down in the south of the County now.
     

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