UK Police Unit in Cyprus

Discussion in 'Postwar' started by BereniceUK, Jul 31, 2015.

  1. BereniceUK

    BereniceUK Well-Known Member

    I wonder why the CWGC doesn't record post-WW2 deaths. And shouldn't the names of the British police officers who were killed or died in Cyprus be equally remembered? Perhaps officialdom would prefer some conflicts to be forgotten.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5183952/The-forgotten-soldiers-buried-in-no-mans-land.html

    http://www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=114&cntnt01returnid=62

    http://www.westmerciapolfed.co.uk/cyprus-police-memorial/

    http://www.britishempire.co.uk/article/cyprusemergency.htm

    The plaque below is in Hereford Police Station.

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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Their remit is only for the war dead of the two world wars.
    I think that is enough work for them.
     
  3. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD


    The Armed Forces Memorial, like CWGC is also searchable online. Three men named in the Telegraph article are listed on it.
    http://www.thenma.org.uk/about-us/armed-forces-memorial/the-names/

    https://www.gov.uk/search-armed-forces-memorial-roll-of-honour
     
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    As the C in CWGC means Commonwealth can you imagine how much more it would cost to run if they had to commemorate the Korean War dead , the Australians in Vietnam ,the Indo-Pakistan War, Nigerians in Biafra and lots of other wars , police actions involving Commonwealth countries I can't remember.
     
  5. BereniceUK

    BereniceUK Well-Known Member

    The CWGC has started to record Polish personnel who died in the WW2 period and are interred in UK, presumably Commonwealth too, cemeteries, seems a shame they're doing that before recording UK post-war casualties. Just my opinion.
     
  6. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Is that not because they have reciprocal agreements with many countries about maintenance of graves in UK / abroad?

    I'm sure that Geoff highlighted the fact that CWGC already had records of foreign graves under their care, but did not previously put them online. I stand to be corrected on this.

    I don't see why you think CWGC should be responsible, essentially 'doubling up' the commemoration work which AFM is already doing.
     
  7. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    I found one post from 2009, showing that CWGC records already existed for graves under their care, but which were then not accessible online via their site. So I don't believe the data or the work related to it is new, it's simply now been made public on their website.
     
  8. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Correct. The records would have existed on paper from the time of burial. (due to a software bug, I was able to see these records on their on-line data, around 2005-7). Most of the records are now available on line. Some countries did not give permission however. My (other) search engine (NTSE) was removed as I was asked to remove access to nationalities where permission to publish was not given. Rather than mess around with the filtering, I removed it. It is all on CWGC now - with many corrections - for example quite a few German dead buried in UK were listed as Army, when they were shot down airmen.
     
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  9. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    According to 'Geoff's Search Engine' (not to be trusted, may have errors!) the foreign national dead in the care of CWGC are as below.
    There are also some pre WW1 (some in 1800s) and post WW2 (some in 1970s) UK nationality graves in various places. Also seem to be some civilian family members of UK military personel in their cemeteries. Non world war data will probably never (?) be online.

    WW1

    TURKISH 564
    RUSSIAN 622
    AMERICAN 44
    FRENCH 6085
    BELGIAN 356
    GERMAN 10751
    PORTUGUESE 14
    SPANISH 1
    AUSTRIAN 105
    BULGARIAN 225
    ITALIAN 18
    GREEK 72
    DANISH 1
    BRAZILIAN 8
    DUTCH 3
    SERBIAN 48
    HUNGARIAN 6
    JAPANESE 68
    ROMANIAN 19
    POLISH 1
    FINNISH 1
    ===========
    Total 19012


    WW2

    POLISH 4421
    ITALIAN 626
    GERMAN 6299
    DUTCH 3831
    NORWEGIAN 225
    FRENCH 780
    AMERICAN 14
    BELGIAN 330
    CZECHOSLOVAKIAN 2
    GREEK 332
    ARAB 1
    YUGOSLAVIAN 4
    CHINESE 1
    JAPANESE 1
    SWEDISH 2
    TURKISH 14
    RUSSIAN 1
    FINNISH 1
    AUSTRIAN 2
    ===========
    Total 16887
     
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  10. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    Returning to the original topic, there is a Cyprus Police Association for those who served there.They may well have their own lists etc of their dead.
     
  11. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    Quick update on my last post. If you go to www.policememorial.org.uk and click on the Cyprus Police Memorial section you can read the sorry tale of why there is no memorial in this country.
     
  12. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

  13. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    Yes,Same web site...didn't notice it ..and thought I was adding rather than repeating....
     

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