Type 94 8 mm Nambu Pistol

Hi guys!

I was wondering if you could tell me more about this "Suicide Nambu". I really don't understand ballistics jargon. Can you cite some situations in which one can injure oneself FATALLY with this gun?

Here's some info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_94_8_mm_Pistol
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Thanks

 

When carrying it in a waist holster if it accidentally discharged the bullet would go into your leg, if this cuts the cartoid artery (main artery in the leg) the 'victim' will bleed to death. Of course the are also the normal ways of being fatally injured with a gun.

 

Hi guys!

I was wondering if you could tell me more about this "Suicide Nambu". I really don't understand ballistics jargon. Can you cite some situations in which one can injure oneself FATALLY with this gun?
Thanks

Can't explain without using parts names. The sear bar of the Type 94, which connects the trigger to the hammer, is exposed on the left side of the frame. It's a long, narrow strip fitted into the frame. By depressing the front end of this sear bar, it is possible to fire the pistol without touching the trigger. This could happen any time someone handled the gun without proper care.

A sear is a catch in a gunlock which holds a hammer in the cocked position. If the sear is pulled away, the hammer falls, hitting the firing pin, which in turn detonates the primer.

The reason the hammer flies forward is a spring which is compressed when the hammer is cocked. Firearms operate my means of springs.

If that is not bad enough, the design of this arm allows it to be fired before the breech is locked.

The Type 94 is one of the world's worst automatic pistols (if you don't mind a little editorial comment).

JT

 

Can't explain without using parts names. The sear bar of the Type 94, which connects the trigger to the hammer, is exposed on the left side of the frame. It's a long, narrow strip fitted into the frame. By depressing the front end of this sear bar, it is possible to fire the pistol without touching the trigger. This could happen any time someone handled the gun without proper care.

A sear is a catch in a gunlock which holds a hammer in the cocked position. If the sear is pulled away, the hammer falls, hitting the firing pin, which in turn detonates the primer.

The reason the hammer flies forward is a spring which is compressed when the hammer is cocked. Firearms operate my means of springs.

If that is not bad enough, the design of this arm allows it to be fired before the breech is locked.

The Type 94 is one of the world's worst automatic pistols (if you don't mind a little editorial comment).

JT

yeah, I read it was the worst

I think I understand it a little now. But how about in a fight situation? As in a battle for the gun, barrel is aimed up as the struggle ensues. Can the one holding the pistol be injured fatally? Where would the bullet hit?

I know I'm asking so many questions. But you see, I'm trying to write a WWII novel.
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yeah, I read it was the worst

I think I understand it a little now. But how about in a fight situation? As in a battle for the gun, barrel is aimed up as the struggle ensues. Can the one holding the pistol be injured fatally? Where would the bullet hit?

I know I'm asking so many questions. But you see, I'm trying to write a WWII novel.
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I am not being facetious here however the bullet would hit what it was aiming at when it fired.

The weapon fired accidentally which gave it the title of the worst handgun however it would hit what it aimed at especially at close quarters.

How is "Pearl of the Red Sun" going?

 

yeah, I read it was the worst

I think I understand it a little now. But how about in a fight situation? As in a battle for the gun, barrel is aimed up as the struggle ensues. Can the one holding the pistol be injured fatally? Where would the bullet hit?

I know I'm asking so many questions. But you see, I'm trying to write a WWII novel.


Gwendy:
As Spidge says, the bullet will strike the first thing it encounters in the direction the pistol is pointed. This is why instructors in concealed carry and personal defense courses here in the States always say that there is a lawyer attached to every bullet that leaves your gun's muzzle.

Perhaps if you describe the scene more fully, someone could offer suggestions. For example: Who are these people in the struggle? What is the setting? Why have you chosen the Type 94, an uncommon Japanese sidearm, rather the more frequently carried Type 14?

The only way the person holding the handgun can be hit by the bullet is if his adversary succeeds in turning the gun around and pointing the gun muzzle at that person.

JT

 

I read somewhere that most of the Type 94 were given to their pilots.

 

I read somewhere that most of the Type 94 were given to their pilots.

They gave them to the kamikazes.

JT

 

When carrying it in a waist holster if it accidentally discharged the bullet would go into your leg, if this cuts the cartoid artery (main artery in the leg) the 'victim' will bleed to death. Of course the are also the normal ways of being fatally injured with a gun.
Gnomey, I don't want to come across as being a smart alec - but the carotid arteries are either side of the neck, you're probably thinking of the femoral artery.

 

How is "Pearl of the Red Sun" going?

Wow! You remembered! :icon-mrgreenbandit:

I'm touched, Spidge. I've been gone a while from here.

Anyway, I've actually changed the title. It's now called "Fires & Embers" and hopefully, I'll be finished within the next year. Hopefully. I still have to struggle through loads of writer's block and all that stuff. Plus, I'm always on the hunt for new stuff that I can add to my research.

As for the gun, I was hoping for a situation in which there was a struggle for the weapon and the trigger is pulled and kills the adversary but the hero isn't at fault but the adversary.

Okay, that was confusing but hope you get my drift

 

Gnomey, I don't want to come across as being a smart alec - but the carotid arteries are either side of the neck, you're probably thinking of the femoral artery.

That would be the one, don't know what I was thinking...

 

Wow! You remembered! :icon-mrgreenbandit:

I'm touched, Spidge. I've been gone a while from here.

Anyway, I've actually changed the title. It's now called "Fires & Embers" and hopefully, I'll be finished within the next year. Hopefully. I still have to struggle through loads of writer's block and all that stuff. Plus, I'm always on the hunt for new stuff that I can add to my research.

As for the gun, I was hoping for a situation in which there was a struggle for the weapon and the trigger is pulled and kills the adversary but the hero isn't at fault but the adversary.

Okay, that was confusing but hope you get my drift

Understood.

 

Yes, it would be possible if the hero succeeds in forcing the barrel to point at the adversary and the latter, whilst not touching the trigger, pushes in the front end of the sear.

There is a similar action possible with a partially-dismantled Luger. You could fire the assembly of the barrel and toggle-lock in the same manner, but when you assemble this to the butt, the front end of the sear is protected.

Regards,
MikB

 

Yes, it would be possible if the hero succeeds in forcing the barrel to point at the adversary and the latter, whilst not touching the trigger, pushes in the front end of the sear.

There is a similar action possible with a partially-dismantled Luger. You could fire the assembly of the barrel and toggle-lock in the same manner, but when you assemble this to the butt, the front end of the sear is protected.

Regards,
MikB

Hi, MikB!

I was thinking of a scenario wherein the hero points the barrel at the villain but something makes him stop and he slowly lowers his gun. The villain, taking the opportunity, makes a grab for the gun and is shot instead. Is that possible? And...er...sorry, but I don't know anything about sears

Thanks! :icon-mrgreenbandit:

 

Hi, MikB!

I was thinking of a scenario wherein the hero points the barrel at the villain but something makes him stop and he slowly lowers his gun. The villain, taking the opportunity, makes a grab for the gun and is shot instead. Is that possible? And...er...sorry, but I don't know anything about sears

Thanks! :icon-mrgreenbandit:

Hi gwendy,

the problem with the 94, as everyone has explained, is that it was badly designed and poorly manufactured. As others have stated the main desin flaw was the sear.

To compare the 94 with a gun that works well, have a look at this link, which shows you in animation how a gun works. As you can see from the second diagram (and the animation), the sear is out of the way and works as intended (to hold the hammer in place until the trigger is pulled). With the 94, this didn't work as well, so untoward pressure (that is, not just pulling on the trigger) could cause the hammer to drop, and so discharge a round. Your scenario could well cause this (I doubt that you're going to describe the exact angles and relative positions of both sets of hands)

http://www.m1911.org/1911desc.htm

compare this with the US Army's guide to the Type 94

Japanese Infantry Weapons

I have also attached a picture of the 94, and have marked out the sear to show how it is exposed.

When the pistol has been cocked (that is, when the top part of the gun has been pulled back to ready the gun for firing), the sear is no longer flush, but sticks out slightly. In your scenario, if the person holding the gun lowers the gun, and even removes his finger from the pistol, and the other protaginist then grabs the gun, then it could go off if the side of the gun is pushed against the persons body, causing the sear to be pushed inwards, realising the hammer and allowing the gun to go off. This is most likely to happen if the person is holding the gun in their right hand, as the sear would then be facing their body (leg/thigh area).

I hope this helps clarify the information provided by the others (guys - have I got this right? Please correct if I'm wrong)

 

Thanks Kyt! I found the links and your explanations very useful! At least now, I'll be able to work out the kinks in my story. Thanks a million