Two unkown lakes.9th Norfolks 1918

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  1. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    My wife has just received account of when her granddad was injured in WW1,
    .And there are two lakes mentioned .....both in Belgium

    Dickebusch lake and Zillebez Lake .

    We have looked over parts of the country they were in , but hit a brick wall.
    Would they have been only made up names ??or of a proper place.
    I know it was during WW1 , but during WW11 the same places could have still been around .

    Any help would be appreciated,

    Tot Glass
     
  2. Vitesse

    Vitesse Senior Member

    For Dickebusch, search Google Maps for Dikkebus - there is a lake east of the village. "Zillebez" is presumably Zillebeke - about 6km ENE from Dikkebus. Again, a lake adjacent to the village.
     
  3. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    vitesse.

    Many thanks for your info .......it was when he was resting along side Dikkebus lake, that they were attacked.

    tot glass
     
  4. Owen

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  5. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    Owen.
    My wifes grandad was ..2nd lieutenant Lawrence Mark Garbutt.
    and his last appointment was Temporary commission 3rd Essex Reg att 9th Norfolks.
    And he was wounded 31.7.18
    Died from wounds 10.8.18

    We have bits from the B.W.M and Kew.

    But if any one may have other info ,it would make a dream come true for my wife.

    He is buried at ESQUELBECQ military cemetery.


    Tot Glass
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Ok, I've edited the thread title to attract those that may have the war diary regimental history.
    someone might have the 6th Div histroy.
    6th Division
     
  7. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    I've no war diary for the 9th Norfolks for the period (only got May-Nov 1917 which, unfortunately, is before Lawrence's time with them), but do have the Regimental History (which isn't greatly detailed, Lawrence only being mentioned in a list of wounded officers for June and July 1918).

    However, with his original enlistment being in the RFA with regimental number 133517, I'd say he was almost certainly part of a New Army battery, (I suppose this will be detailed in his service record...haven't looked closely, but , if you haven't seen it, it's possibly at Kew under file ref.WO 339/104944), serving on the Western Front.

    Anyway, after receiving his temporary commisiion into the Essex Regiment on 17th December 1917 , he was, as you know, attached to the 9th Norfolks, probably joining them in the area of Denicourt before moving on to Lagnicourt where they were to be hit by the 'Kaiserschlact' offensive ,moving, in April, up to the Ypres Salient - manning defences at Polybecke before taking part in the fighting near Loker.

    By the end of April, they'd moved tot he west of Ypres and were billeted around 'Goldfish Chateau' until May 12th...
     

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  8. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    ...After May 12th, they moved to the defences on the Ypres-Comines canal to the south of the town (basically mid-way between Zillebeke and Dickebusch lakes - the map shows the canal on the right and Dickebusch Lake to the left)...
     

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  9. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    ...it was in this vicinity that they were to (generally) stay for June and July. Not much action, but shellfire and gas was a problem. By 28th July, it's mentioned that the battalion was 'split' by Dickebusch Lake making it appear that some manned the frontline, whilst others were quite a way to the rear (but, with the proximity to the front, very unlikely to be 'resting' in that vicinity!).

    (Trenchmaps all dated July 1918)...
     

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  10. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    ...general shot of Esquelbecq...
     

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  11. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    A Lawrence Mark Garbutt was married in 4th Qtr 1909 in West Derby, Lancashire, but no name of spouse. Kellys Directory of 1917 has a farmer of that name at The Leen, Pembridge, Herefordshire. Is this information any connection with your man? If so, it may be possible to trace more for your wife.
    Also worth enquiring on the Great War Forum....
     
  12. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    ...extract from the 6th Div history...
     

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  13. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    6th Div 'diary' from same source...
     

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  14. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    His Medal Index Card (which you probably already have!)...
     

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  15. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    Croonaert,

    Many thanks indeed for all that information, i have printed it out for my wife ,plus the photo you posted is most interesting .
    May i say thanks again ,for all the effort you put in .

    Tot Glass
     
  16. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    Here is a photo of LAWRENCE , in his uniform.

    It will be placed on the cross this remembrance day .[trimmed to size ]

    Tot Glass
     

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  17. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    To day we were at Saltburn -by-the-sea, for remembrance Sunday .14.11.2010

    My wife placed her cross among the other crosses that were there,and LAWRENCE,has his name 5 down left hand side,on the cenotaph.

    It was lovely Sunday morning , and there was a very big gathering , the vicar was well pleased.
     

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  18. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    While cleaning out draws , my wife found this post card,of a wooden cross, being of her granddad,LAWRENCE .

    We do know he lost his life in a clearing station,but finding this post card has upset her .
    Would he have been buried with the cross,???

    tot glass
     

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  19. Oldman

    Oldman Very Senior Member

    Tot Glass

    Yes he would be, as they were behind the lines at a CCS
    Then later on they would have replaced it with the portland stone we now take for granted
     
  20. TOT GLASS

    TOT GLASS Member

    Many thanks Oldman,

    For your posting , i assume that the wooded cross,s are in the ESQUELBECQ military cemetery.

    tot glass
     

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