Two Cousins - 7th Ox and Bucks LI?

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  1. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    Recently while transcribing WO417 files into a database I came across an entry which looked like it may be be two brothers who enlisted at the same time, given the consecutive service numbers:

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    The interesting part is that they were both wounded on 10th September 1943 at Salerno with the 7 Oxs an Bucks LI, south of Battipaglia:

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  2. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    However, a bit more research shows they weren't brothers (maybe cousins?) or just coincidence? Probably needs a bit more research into the family tree.

    Benjamin Ernest G Seager born 10th June 1913, in Milton Kent (mothers maiden name Rogers)
    John A Seager born 3Q 1914 in Thanet, Kent (mothers maiden name Harty)
     
  3. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    Looks like John Alfred 5386943 died on 29th September 1944 and is commemorated on Panel 8 of the Cassino Memorial
    Casualty

    Lesley
     
  4. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    Benjamin turns up again the records when he is reported missing in action on 11th November 1943 in the abortive attack on Pt 819 on Monte Camino:

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  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  6. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    Hold on, you're stealing my thunder!

    :D
     
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  8. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    Benjamin is confirmed as a PoW in January 1944. He ends up in Stalag 8B Teschen.

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  9. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    John next turns up when recorded as wounded on 29th September 1944 while fighting on the Gothic Line.
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    Looking at the WD this looks a bit odd as they are not in action...

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  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: B E Seager
    Rank: Private
    Army Number: 5386942
    Regiment: Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry
    POW Number: 266470
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: VIII-B
    Camp Location: Cieszyn, Poland
    Record Office: Infantry Record Office, Warwick
    Record Office Number: 21

    TD
     
  11. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    However, the previous pages give the clues - most ORs were transferred to the Queen's battalions on 24th September:

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  12. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, only 2/7 Queens WD has a list of personnel transferred from 7 Oxs and Bucks LI (2/6 Queens Battalion orders annoying stop on 16th September) and John Seager is not on that list so ended up with either 2/5 or 2/6 Queens.

    It is only in December 1944 he is reported as wounded and missing:

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    Finally in July 1945 is he posted as Died of Wounds while a Prisoner of War:

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    I do have all the WO361 files for the Queens (and 2/5 Queens certainly does make a distinction between those missing personnel attached from 1 WELSH and 7 OXS & BUCKS) but haven't had time to have a proper look.
     
  13. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    Finally, as already mentioned John Seager is still missing and is on the Cassino Memorial. I believe he married in 1939.

    Benjamin returned from the PoW camp, married Vera in 1958 and passed away in 1975.
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Indeed he did - and Ida Foster

    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: John A Seager
    [T Seager]
    Gender: Male
    Marital Status: Married
    Birth Date: 21 May 1914
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 93
    Residence Place: Dartford, Kent, England
    Occupation: (Shak Assembler) Munition Worker
    Schedule Number: 206
    Sub Schedule Number: 2
    Enumeration District: DJDH
    Registration district: 43/2
    Household Members:
    Name
    Ida G M Seager
    John A Seager

    Name: Ida G M Seager
    [Ida G M Foster]
    Gender: Female
    Marital Status: Married
    Birth Date: 28 Jul 1917
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 93
    Residence Place: Dartford, Kent, England
    Occupation: Ladies Hairdresser

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  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Interestingly enough she remarried in 1949 and to a man with the same surname as her maiden name -

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Ida G M Seager
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1949
    Registration district: Dartford
    Inferred County: Kent
    Spouse: George Foster
    Volume Number: 5b
    Page Number: 1225

    Or perhaps the above was her third marriage as the details of her marriage cert show her 'maiden' name as Curtis, not Foster as per the 39 Register
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: John A Seager
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
    Registration district: Dartford
    Inferred County: Kent
    Spouse: Ida G M Crisp
    Volume Number: 2a
    Page Number: 4074

    TD
     
  16. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    A little more digging I found John Seager was sent to 2/6 Queen's, seemingly D Coy. However, Pte. Bee may have been mistaken about seeing Pte. Seager on 20th September as there does not appear to have be any transfers from 7 OBLI until 24th September.

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  17. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    These are the WD entries for end of September 1944. On reading these I thought Seager may have been a member of B Coy which gets cut off and quite a number of men captured. However, there is quite a lot of documentation in the WO361 file about these men and the subsequent attempts to find out what happened to them and Seager is not mentioned once; therefore I think he was a member of D Coy as mentioned by Pte. Bee. Seager is initially posted as wounded which suggest this must have somehow been reported; quite how he goes missing remains a mystery. Apart from the above (and several replies from men who were unable to give any information) there is nothing else on John Seager.

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  18. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    Castelvecchio doesn't appear as a separate village on Google Maps as it seems to have been subsumed into Savignano. However, it is clear on the contemporary maps as a distinct locality.

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