Trying to understand service record Wiltshire Regiment,15 ITC, RAPC

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  1. Nick Coward

    Nick Coward Member

    Hi

    I have recently been looking into my fathers service record, I have obtained his service records from the MOD, but I need some help understanding some of the information.

    His Service and Casualty Form lists his service record:
    Wiltshire Regt /15 ITC
    RAPC / 29 coy RAPC

    This document then this lists all his postings and transfers and it starts with:
    Unit 62 PTW Deemed ....... 7/7/1945
    I understand this is when he joins the army in the General Service Corp and it was 62 Primary Training Wing at Canterbury.

    Next is:
    Transfer Wiltshire Regiment Posted
    No 15 I.T.C WOUM /112/MISC/
    4807 (MP3) 7/7/45
    I understand the 15 ITC stands for 15 Infantry Training Centre at Colchester but the rest is I cant find anything about.

    Next is:
    Unit 15 ITC
    Posted to the strength of 15...next letters are not clear could be Highland Brig & attached to RPO Knights bridge. (RPO I understand Regional Pay Office)

    Next: everything is readable about his time in the RAPC.

    Another document Territorial Army record of service says similar to the above about Units and Transfers except when transferring to RAPC from Wilts Reg this document has 2 HB in the unit column?

    So my questions if anyone can help are:
    • WOUM /112/MISC/4807 (MP3) 7/7/45 what does this mean?
    • I cant find any reference to a 15 highland Brigade and Knightbridge, any ideas?
    • What unit was 2 HB ?
    • Last question would when either during his time in 15 itc or before joining the RAPC would he have been attached to a Division or Battalion I cant tell this from the above?
    His Soldiers Service book does have that he was in A coy 19 & 24 platoons when in Wilts.

    My father when he was alive did tell me that he was transferred from the Wiltshire Reg to Knightsbridge then on to Ceylon, but the rest of his Wilts Regt company went out to Burma is that an indication of Division or Battalion?

    Any help you can give me would be appreciated.

    Thanks

    Nick
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    Hi Nick

    Welcome

    From past experience of similar problems I would advise you to scan and post the records so that members can read the documents for themselves in context. This may seem a little odd but often abbreviations and handwriting can be open to interpretation, and the more eyes that see the records helps.

    TD

    As another option you could open up an 'album' [check your profile] and post the records there and link it to this thread.
     
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  3. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Welcome to the forum.

    I’d support TD’s advice. There are numerous examples of new members asking forum members for “interpretation” of queried documents that only they have seen.

    When the documents are posted on the forum the queried entries, and others, are discovered to be not what the new member believed them to be.

    Steve
     
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  4. Nick Coward

    Nick Coward Member

    Thanks Guys I will scan and attached the docs to this post.
     
  5. Nick Coward

    Nick Coward Member

    Documents attached Record of Service.jpg
     
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  9. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Thanks for posting the papers.

    I’ve copied your 4 queries for ease of response -

    • WOUM /112/MISC/4807 (MP3) 7/7/45 what does this mean?
    This is the Military authorisation for his posting from Primary Training Wing (General Service Corps) to Wiltshire Regiment at 15 ITC.

    • I cant find any reference to a 15 highland Brigade and Knightbridge, any ideas?
    My reading of the entry is 15 Holding Battalion (at 15 ITC - a posting for soldiers who had completed training and were awaiting a posting - in his case he was subsequently attached to 29 Company RAPC - and then transferred from Wilts Regiment to RAPC).

    I think there might be a spelling mistake in the word that looks like Knightbridge. It could either be Knightsbridge (London) or more likely Kingsbridge, Devon. If you contact Wilts Reg Museum - http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/ - they may confirm where Regimental (Regional?) Pay Office was located.

    • What unit was 2 HB ?
    I can’t see that reference but it will likely be 2nd Holding Battalion.

    • Last question would when either during his time in 15 itc or before joining the RAPC would he have been attached to a Division or Battalion I cant tell this from the above?
    As per my earlier response he went straight from ITC to 29 Company RAPC.

    Hope that clarifies matters for you? Hopefully other members will agree with my observations

    Steve
     
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  10. Nick Coward

    Nick Coward Member

    Thank you so much for replying, it's nice to know what it all means.

    It was Knightsbridge London I just called my mother.

    2 HB is on the last document in the column called unit, from what you have said 2nd Holding Battalion seems most likely.

    I have some old photos but they are really grainy and hard to see what is on the uniform. On back of the photo's my father had written Wilts Reg 1945 so i guess the shoulder title says Wiltshire, would there have been any other badges its hard to tell from the pictures.
     
  11. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    He might’ve been based within Knightsbridge Barracks.

    Same advice as for the documents - post the photographs as there may be a member with an expertise in uniform badges (not me) who can assist you further.

    Steve
     
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