'Too Many *Nice Nazi* Films Being Made' ?

Is this making any sense or am I just confusing everyone further?
uuhh...

I'm confused!

 

The "good" thing about war is that there are advancments in technology, medicine and many other areas, the downside is we are always doomed to repeat the past as most politicians the world over think forever was a fortnight ago.......................and as a further thought as most English folk are decended from the Anglo Saxons......doesn't that make you Germanic ? < said in good humour>

 

A couple of trailers:

The Reader

and

Valkyrie

Cheers
Andy

 

I fail to understand how a story based on a true event - an attempt by Nazi Officers to assassinate Hitler, can be perceived as sympathetic to the Nazi agenda. Ludicrous.

The Nazi regime was war based and I think war doesn't help anyone to be the best of Angels (e.g. the Crusades - does anyone care to explain where the "good Christians" were during these times?).

To simply categorize all Germans serving in WW2 as "evil Nazi's" is a step beyond reality. It is equal in error to such a claim as saying "there were NO bad Allies". We know this is not so, and we know the horrors of war have great potential to seriously effect the manner in which we conduct ourselves as human beings.

I have three primary heroes from WW2.

Churchill - because of his stand alone tenacity in the face of adversity.
Patton - because of his steadfast determination for the offensive.
Rommel - for his cunning and wit in the execution of his honorable duty.

There are reasons we respect some men and not others - it is evident in their actions, the things they say and how they conduct themselves.

To put all Germans serving in WW2 in a box labeled "evil" reveals an ignorance of great amplitude.

 

I fail to understand how a story based on a true event - an attempt by Nazi Officers to assassinate Hitler, can be perceived as sympathetic to the Nazi agenda. Ludicrous.

The Nazi regime was war based and I think war doesn't help anyone to be the best of Angels (e.g. the Crusades - does anyone care to explain where the "good Christians" were during these times?).

To simply categorize all Germans serving in WW2 as "evil Nazi's" is a step beyond reality. It is equal in error to such a claim as saying "there were NO bad Allies". We know this is not so, and we know the horrors of war have great potential to seriously effect the manner in which we conduct ourselves as human beings.

I have three primary heroes from WW2.

Churchill - because of his stand alone tenacity in the face of adversity.
Patton - because of his steadfast determination for the offensive.
Rommel - for his cunning and wit in the execution of his honorable duty.

There are reasons we respect some men and not others - it is evident in their actions, the things they say and how they conduct themselves.

To put all Germans serving in WW2 in a box labeled "evil" reveals an ignorance of great amplitude.

I mostly agree, aside from Churchill who was just a racist bigot.

I haven't seen Valkyrie but from what I hear (aka in that "article") they completley looked over his role in the holocaust.

Funny, how many people were all up in arms when they looked over Ghandhi's "role" in the holocaust in 1982? "Nazi's" are just easy bait and this guy used current events and social stigma to get hits for his ad ridden site.

 

Elven6 I can't help feeling you have sort of agenda on here with you continually mentioning Ghandhi's role in the holocaust and making statements like British Soldiers beating children in their down time and now Churchill a rascist biggot.

Are you trying to 'Bait' members on here or am I just a thick grown up kid from South East London that's forever missing your point and doesn't have a clue what you are on about?

Cheers
Andy

 

Elven6 I can't help feeling you have sort of agenda on here with you continually mentioning Ghandhi's role in the holocaust and making statements like British Soldiers beating children in their down time and now Churchill a rascist biggot.

Are you trying to 'Bait' members on here or am I just a thick grown up kid from South East London that's forever missing your point and doesn't have a clue what you are on about?

Cheers
Andy

I think it's just you, Churchill did have many racial qualities about him which did affect his decision making but it was only natural considering England's influential role through out the world at that time. I'd explain further but Imperialism is a rather large beast.

What's wrong with mentioning Ghandhi?

Like I said before, isolated cases are isolated cases, just like what happened to American troops. If I wasn't a strong believer in the two sided coin policy, and I sit down to watch the news and I hear blurbs about how British troops are beating civilians or American troops are overpowering and raping civilians, wouldn't my opinion change? I showed you that video which is a more recent case that I had heard of which after watching the entire thing I can see it was pretty "cut down" by the media.

Nothing in life is ever perfect, simply discussing those qualities in a non bias fashion is fine. When I point out flaw I always try to end it with a positive if possible.

 

Cheers, in that case I'll just avoid your posts in future

All the best

 

Cheers, in that case I'll just avoid your posts in future

All the best

No no no! Don't do that, now you just made me feel all bad about myself.

When it came to Churchill, because of Imperialistic attitudes it was common for people to look down upon others, include the Irish apparently.

Even Thabo Mbeki mentions it although with a certain bias of course. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he was a horrible character, he did do a lot of good but the racial attitudes are hold me back a bit, much like with Gandhi.

 

interesting points are being made in this post...........while I am an admirer of Churchill, I realise his flaws, as a one time Scottish MP he was willing to sacrifise the 52HD to hold the french on side long enough to evacuate many from Dunkirk and prepare for the defense of the United kingdom, he was and possible still is not that popular in Dundee and Scotland as a whole due to this decision...................

 

I think it's just you...

There's no need for an insulting comment like that; I am hoping you didn't mean that and it was just 'off the cuff'.

 

There's no need for an insulting comment like that; I am hoping you didn't mean that and it was just 'off the cuff'.

My intention wasn't to insult him by any means, although I wasn't to fond of being accused of having a "Agenda" either.

 

That's good to hear, but we encourage friendly discussion here, not biting comments about other members. Take a deep breath and think when answering the comments of someone who disagrees with you next time, please.

 

Paul,

No offence taken.....I just don't know what he's on about half the time bless him

Cheers
Andy

 

interesting points are being made in this post...........while I am an admirer of Churchill, I realise his flaws, as a one time Scottish MP he was willing to sacrifise the 52HD to hold the french on side long enough to evacuate many from Dunkirk and prepare for the defense of the United kingdom, he was and possible still is not that popular in Dundee and Scotland as a whole due to this decision...................


Patton made similiar decisions - It is very possible that both men are links in a chain that if broken by the absence of either, could have changed the outcome of the war.

 

"Defiance" - just saw the trailer for this and it looks awesome! I thought of this thread and Ill tell you - it does not look very sympathetic to Nazis whatsoever.

bogus claim disproved!

 

If you ask any veteran who managed to fight his way to Germany and was stationed there during the occupation, upto their demob, Not one will have ever found a German Politician, Civilian or Military man who actually new or saw or admits that anything untoward was happening.
How, at the very least, can you not smell what was happening at various places.?

Of course people were aware of things that they wouldn't admit to, but what would anyone have to gain from admitting they knew anything - they would just be accused of collaboration for not taking a stand against the evils around them. I'm a firm believer, however, that knowing about an evil and not taking some form of action against it is not a form of collaboration or consent.

If someone adheres to that way of thinking then why weren't the Jews who worked in the concentration camps - sorting baggage, applying a trade or disposing of bodies - condemned as well? They were aware of the evil around them but continued to serve the Nazis to save themselves. The concentration camps would not have been operable without the assistance of the Jews.

Nobody condemns the Jews in that situation for assisting the Nazis, yet people outside the concentration camps were equally as impotent to do anything about the situation and they are almost unanimously condemned. One could argue that more Germans could have taken some form of action, but when the probable consequence of that action is a bullet through the head or internment in a concentration camp for yourself, how can the majority of those people be condemned for acting in a manner that would be the typical human response for a person put into that situation?

I'm not inferring that there weren't some despicable people who willingly collaborated with the worst of the Nazi party atrocities or who took advantage of others for personal gain, but I think the vast majority of Germans were - albiet quietly - opposed to the inhumanities that they are now condemned for actively propagating through inaction.

 

I wonder how many people on this site living in Germany in the thirties, would be strong enough to oppose the Nazi party.
Having a glut of information at your fingertips and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Amen

 

Patton made similiar decisions - It is very possible that both men are links in a chain that if broken by the absence of either, could have changed the outcome of the war.

couldn't agree more, but unpopular choices always leave a bit of a bad taste in somebodys mouth .....