Tom Newton Longland, Pte., 2nd Bn., Northamptonshire Regt.

Discussion in '1940' started by malcwayland, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:33 PM.

  1. malcwayland

    malcwayland New Member

    Good Afternoon, all – I have been requested by a friend of mine to research the war service of his father, and would greatly appreciate any help Members can give. The man concerned was Tom Newton Longland, born 27 September 1910, in Ramsey, Huntingdonshire.

    His son, (my friend Michael Longland), remembers only that his father was taken POW when his unit was withdrawing towards Dunkirk in 1940, that he spent the remainder of the war in captivity, and that at least one of the camps was in, or close to, Poland. We are in the process of completing the MOD forms for copies of his father’s service record, but thought I would make a start while we wait to hear from them.

    I have been able to ascertain (Via “Ancestry”, “Find My Past” and other online sources), that Private Tom Newton Longland, 5881686, served with the 2nd Bn., Northamptonshire Regt.. The POW records on ‘FMP’ show that he was given the POW number 1138 and incarcerated in Stalag 8A, which I believe to be Gorlitz, Saxony, (Now Zgorzelec, Poland), and Camp 344, which I believe was Stalag VIIIB, Lamsdorf, (Now Lambinowice, Poland).

    I am particularly interested in finding the exact date of Tom’s capture, and then in reading the Bn. War Diary for the period prior to that date, and also the date he was liberated, but would be delighted to hear anything at all about Tom’s military service.

    Many thanks

    Malcolm
     
  2. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I have both of the Northamptonshire Regt. histories which include the 2nd Battalion in France & Flanders, and most of the War Diary I believe...He is likely to have been captured either with C Company at Maroeuil on 23rd May or at St Eloi on the Ypres-Comines canal on 27th / 28th May.

    If he completed a POW questionnaire upon his release, it will be in the National Archives and will probably give the most clues.
     
  3. malcwayland

    malcwayland New Member

    Rich - from your previous postings I suspected (and hoped!) you might be willing to contribute, and many thanks indeed for your input. I've just been reading the War Diary entries for the 21st - 24th May posted on another thread, and will now look for those of the 27/28th. Where was the 'C' Coy info obtained - the Regt. History?

    Now to beg someone going to the NA to have a look for a POW questionnaire!
     
  4. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Welcome to the forum.

    You ought to consider submitting a request to Swiss Red Cross for his records in January 2020 via this link -

    Requests for information about people held during Spanish Civil War or Second World War: Quarterly limit reached

    You need to check the site 8am GMT and if the application form isn’t visible check every 15 minutes until it is visible. You need to complete the form quickly as the window had closed before 10am GMT in September.

    You could do worse than request Drew at Drew5233 or Lee at PsyWar.Org to do a look up and copy of the POW Questionnaire if he completed it.

    Good Luck

    Steve
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2019 at 11:15 AM
  5. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Malc, I have an early start tomorrow and no time to scan further, but here is a taster from one of the Regimental histories...

    Maroeuil.jpg
     
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  6. malcwayland

    malcwayland New Member

    Steve - Sounds liked excellent advice and these are certainly avenues I doubt I would have got round to for several weeks at least - if ever! Have made an entry for 20 Jan 2020 on my calendar for next year. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and for your advice.

    Rich - Thank you again. Very interesting and thought provoking, regarding what these men were undergoing, and an equally possible date of capture for Tom. I just hope he did indeed fill in a POW questionnaire upon his release that will confirm just which it was. Anyway, thanks to you I can now map out for Michael some of the ground his father would have traveled during the withdrawal, and give him an idea of the intensity of the fighting Tom was involved in.

    Although a novice at WWII records, I've been researching the WW1 service of the men of the village I was brought up in for many years, and have traveled the Western Front visiting the graves and memorials of the ones who didn't come home. Little did I realise that when visiting the areas around St Eloi, Maroeuil, Souchez and Vimy Ridge (Where my Canadian Gt. Uncle fought), that one day I would be researching these very same areas for men of the next generation!

    Malcolm
     
  7. skimmod

    skimmod Senior Member

    The 2nd Northamptons were part of the 17th Bde alongside the unit I study (the 2nd Royal Scots Fusiliers) they took heavy casualties during the battle of Arras, losing many of their officers and NCO's. (see the page above) This caused them to be assigned as the reserve battalion along the Ypres-Comines canal, doing amazing work covering the withdrawal of the RSF when they were forced back from hill 60. They were held in high regard by those that fought alongside them.
    good luck with your research. look for a book called "De Slag om de Spoorweg en Vaart" by Henri Braem - it will help to understand the action there.
    (or i can supply you with a copy of mine about the RSF..)
     
  8. malcwayland

    malcwayland New Member

    Thank you, skimmod - I was aware of the 17th Bde. and its component units, and just this afternoon have been looking to see where the 17th was in action. It's quite uncanny - I have spent many hours on and near Hill 60 and walking beside the Ypres- Comines canal while doing my WW1 research, pretty much oblivious to the intensity of the WW2 fighting that also took place there! Another very useful piece of information - much appreciated.
    Malcolm
     

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