Timekeeping in World War Two in Berlin vs London

Discussion in 'Historiography' started by Jan7, Sep 13, 2009.

  1. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    Timekeeping in World War Two in Berlin vs London


    One question that intrigued me for many years is the hour aboard in Royal Navy ships (Greenwich reference) vs Kriegsmarine ships (Berlin reference) in wartime.

    Are equal? Or diferent, because the distinct meridian crosses the two cities?


    Excuse me if I don't express right in English.



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  2. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

  3. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Am I right to suppose the Pearl Harbor raid "occurred on different dates", according to US or Japanese point of view, because of the International date change line? I heard of this somewhere but I have no confirmation either way.
     
  4. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Miguel,

    Bases on international time zones everyone knew what the correct time and date was for any particular place in the world.

    The difficulties only arise when the different nations home time is applied.

    Then of course you have two times and could have a different day regarding on the International date line being passed.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Don't forget Zulu time too, although I'm not so sure it was around during WW2.
     
  6. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Don't forget Zulu time too, although I'm not so sure it was around during WW2.


    In 1950 the world adopted Z or Zulu (From the International Phonetic alphabet) instead of the then present day letters.

    See wiki link on my last post.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  7. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    Jan,

    This Wiki article may be of help.

    Greenwich Mean Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Regards
    Tom

    Thanks, Tom. I will read carefully this link. In case of dudes, I could consult at Miguel (Za) in my own language.

    Am I right to suppose the Pearl Harbor raid "occurred on different dates", according to US or Japanese point of view, because of the International date change line? I heard of this somewhere but I have no confirmation either way.

    I am suposse that you are rigth, Za. Almost for the Headquarters an the population of the two countries, the Japan hour and USA hour, are diferent.

    In my investigation on U-617 are discrepancies/differences inter the hours showed in the book of Santiago Mata vs the Norman Franks
    book, for eixample. This is my motif for post the question.


    Interesting link for the German time: The Funkeruhr and timekeeping of communication troops - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums






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  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    In 1950 the world adopted Z or Zulu (From the International Phonetic alphabet) instead of the then present day letters.

    See wiki link on my last post.

    Regards
    Tom

    Just skim read the wiki thread and couldn't see it - I always understood it was to do with British Military Exercises/Operations taking part in different time zones around the world so everyone was singing on the same song sheet - Thats the only time I've come across when signals were being sent but our watches were always on local time.

    Cheers :)
     
  9. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    In 1950 the world adopted Z or Zulu (From the International Phonetic alphabet) instead of the then present day letters.

    See wiki link on my last post.

    Regards
    Tom

    Before that what was in place, Matabele or Xhosa?
     
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  10. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Jan,

    I took a look at the forum link that you posted. Interesting time keepers.

    Time is always important to all the military branches, more so in times of conflicts.

    It was especially important for the Airforces and Navy for flying and sailing by dead reckoning.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  11. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    Jan,

    I took a look at the forum link that you posted. Interesting time keepers.

    Time is always important to all the military branches, more so in times of conflicts.

    It was especially important for the Airforces and Navy for flying and sailing by dead reckoning.

    Regards
    Tom

    Thanks, Tom. If you wish ask any question at my friend Funks.... I could transmit him, in your name. As you seen this is other of my hobbies[​IMG].

    I hope that anyone of our most veterans shipmates will joining
    at this thread.






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  12. Tab

    Tab Senior Member

    There was a time when many of the major European cities had a meridian line running through them as they all wanted to be the centre of things. In Paris there are a line of studs in one section of the city where they fixed the Median line. The reason that an international conference awarded London as the place to fix it was because that nearly all the sea going charts of the day were made in Britain which had London as the spot the line passed through.
     
  13. Tab

    Tab Senior Member

    Here is another thought did you know that during world war 2 when the Americans were stationed over here that their Air Force never went on to Double Summer time and you had RAF operating on one time and the Americans operating on another
     
  14. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    Here is another thought did you know that during world war 2 when the Americans were stationed over here that their Air Force never went on to Double Summer time and you had RAF operating on one time and the Americans operating on another
    Excuse me for my very belated answer, Tab. Your comments:rolleyes: are very interesting, almost for me. Appreciated.

    I think that these manners, possibly are the origin of any mistake or confussion.



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    Again about the theme of my post,


    What timezone/hour watching the British Units in combat? (Royal Navy, Army, RAF.....) GMT always, Local Time???



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