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The Online Safety Act.

Discussion in 'Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback' started by von Poop, Mar 18, 2025.

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  1. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce Patron

    I would be quite happy to pay a membership subscription, but I'm not sure if it would put potential new members off if they had to pay for say a few visits to ask advice on couple of things, maybe get some answers then leave. There are quite a lot of new members all the time here who maybe make a few posts and are never seen again. That would be a great shame for them, as the forum as a whole has a lot of members with great knowledge. They are not as interested (or obsessed as my husband calls me) in WW2 as a lot of us are.

    Otto has always said that he wants the forum to be free for anyone, which is admirable considering how much it costs him yearly to host the site.
    I remember Adam quoting some figures from November 2021, around 5000 dollars for licences and hosting forums here and WW2f, just under 2000 dollars for hosting alone here.
    To quote Adam "We play at the personal generosity of a man (Otto) that pays the bills".

    I should imagine that there has been a lot of extra time and expense looking into the possible extra complications of running the forum with the onset of the online safety act too.

    As some members have said before, it would be a good idea if there could be a facility on the forum whereby we could put in some extra money whenever we feel able to.

    Bit of a long winded reply sorry.

    Lesley
     
  2. Esther Payne

    Esther Payne Member

    If you're wondering about a facility that could pay for the site as a community effort there are options.

    On Mastodon(it's like twitter but has lots of individual sites that can send messages to different sites in its network) for example people pay money to the site owners to keep it going. It's not like a membership due. Where my own account for this is on, the instance has a bank account, and so many people paid in, that they had to ask us to stop for a little while.

    But that way, some people who can afford to put in something and want to can put it in, but not everyone has too. So you still have the amazing community aspect.

    Some sites use patereon, some sites use Open Collective.

    Home — Patreon

    Open Collective
    Raise, manage and disburse money with full transparency.

    There is also liberapay.

    Liberapay

    There are more, but these tend to be for individual artists etc. The thing to remember with all these sites is that they do take a small cut out of the donations. As that is their funding model.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Apologies for delayed reply.
    Been cogitating.

    I honestly appreciate such loyal thoughts about the old place, but there's an issue or two.
    Lesley has largely got to the heart of it, but I'll add a suggestion to consider all the other paid membership military history sites we've seen over the last 20 years:
    They're all dead now.
    It's hard to even name them, as many slipped away within months. (Maybe a Laurence Rees one among them? Not sure.)

    I don't think you can do it without pretty large corporate style backing and advertising to achieve/retain the critical mass of members.
    Even then, it's very hard in the face of wider 'free'* internet vapidity, and you likely lose that essential flow of less-obsessed people's questions, potentially ending up with only a hard core of researchers and subject experts talking among themselves.

    If there is a philosophy here :unsure:, that's not really it.
    In terms of our 'culture', I like passers by being able to chip in, the presence of the serious and the silly, and that we do not send spam or 'marketing' emails, all of which, I think helped in growing an organic thing.

    On other funding sources.
    I do agree we should look more carefully. Patreon always made some sense to me, but even then you place yourself (and potentially survival) in the hands of firms that've behaved badly by political whim and societal fashion in the past.
    My hope is that if we get the more modern Xenforo software it appears to have far better integrated donation mechanisms than our clunky one.

    Anyway.
    We rock upon the waves.
    We shall see.

    * Nothing's 'free' is it...
     
  4. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    My own limited experience with a variety of UK regulatory bodies, including Of Com, has generally been unimpressive, even when the lawyers get involved. They are generally poorly funded, bureaucratic - so move slowly - and when it suits them discover new reasons to not be involved, one suddenly declared they could only freeze bank account(s) for a calendar year.

    The recent National Audit Office on OFWAT confirms my views IMHO. See: Regulators have failed to deliver a trusted and resilient water sector, says NAO report | Envirotec

    Of Com may be different, although the public and government gaze may mean it will be different. Just whether they will have the "bottle" to engage with the social media giants is a very moot point - who can get the best legal advice. As a result they may go for the "minnows".
     
  5. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Ofcom isn't different. They are all useless.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  6. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    The Online Safety Act was mentioned 15 times in the Commons on 7th May in the "Consideration of the "Data (Use And Access) Bill( Lords)" - debate. The bill that leads to authors being concerned about their copyright and AI.
     
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  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Well, this is going swimmingly.

    'We're just protecting children.'
    Bullshit.
    Every kid that didn't know already is now learning about VPNs
    So they're discussing banning VPNs.
    Which definitely won't lead to kids and others moving onto TOR, where the real dangerous (and far more tech-savvy than their prey) slime of the internet lurk.

    NordVPN reports a 1000% lift in UK downloads over the last week.
    A decent tool to create more internet anonymity, the exact opposite of the legislation's intent.
    So that's good, isn't it.

    And before anyone is daft enough to upload a face scan or documents to an app created by three manbun-wearing programmers a few weeks ago, might I refer them to the complete & completely unsurprising data leak of the US 'TEA' app.
    Doxxing yourself.

    Every single time governments touch 'public' technology, it blows up in their faces.
    Every time, because they do not understand it and are not prepared to try, or grasp for anything other than the lowest fruit.
    'Something must be done!'
    'Think of the children!'
    Yeah.
    No.
    They also almost never admit a mistake, and will keep digging as the earth becomes more scorched.

    Wikipedia going to court, and discussing withdrawing from the UK.
    Various other large foreign-based websites considering the same.
    Etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    I don't do petitions, really.
    Might do this one, though nothing will change.
    Petition: Repeal the Online Safety Act
     
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  8. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles Patron

    The Great British Public:

    "Never heard of it—strongly in favour—it won't do anything, mind you."

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  9. RAFCommands

    RAFCommands Conversation is two or more participants

    Proof if ever that complex systems believed to be unbreakable are not.

    Took less than 24hrs for this use of game characters to be disclosed as a workround

    Discord users 'bypassing age-checks with video game characters'

    to paraphrase - turns out you that using a computer generated character to fool a computer is all you need.

    Ross
     
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  10. Esther Payne

    Esther Payne Member

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  11. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    "Is it safe? Is it safe? BUT, is it safe?"

    The drill's been started. Kiss goodbye to your enamel. Stand by dentin. Nerves next.

    And that's just for starters.

    Kind regards, "is it safe?", always, but never,

    Jim.
     
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  12. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Now they need to ask the question again, but this time don't mention 'porn', replacing it with 'social media and Wikipedia or similar sites'

    All the best

    Andreas
     
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    dbf Member

  14. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    "Ofcom should ensure expectations on very low-risk services are proportionate, providing them with the freedom to innovate without imposing overly burdensome requirements or enforcement actions where there is little risk or evidence of harm. "

    see Final Statement of Strategic Priorities for Online Safety

    The above published on 2nd July.

    A case relating to section 6 of the Data Protection Act 2018 (“DPA 2018”) and Article 4(7) of the UK General Data Protection Regulation (“the UK GDPR”). A fine of £27,000,000 was reduced to £12,700,000 and last week judgment in part of the appeal process was published:

    TikTok Inc & Anor v Information Commissioner - Find Case Law - The National Archives
     
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  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Spotify asking for age verification and deleting accounts that don't.
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    Scam websites already popping up with fake age verification/identity theft processes.

    ISPs blocking VPNs.
    (Work for a company from home? You almost certainly use a VPN to get on the system.)

    Phew.
    As long as the kids are learning quickly how to bypass security and mooching on the dark web safe, then that's all good.
     
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  16. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    This is literally insane.

    If you cannot use a VPN for corporate work from home, the security risk to your company is going through the roof. This will hammer productivity, and 'bUt rEtURn tO oFFiCe' won't fix it.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
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  17. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Chatting to a mate that works on 'Critical infrastructure' in the field.
    Company concerned that the growing VPN strangeness means accessing required secure systems & info back at the ranch is potentially under threat.

    US lawyers confidently firing up over the offence to speech and Constitution in the claimed international jurisdiction of the act.
    Incandescent.
    Laughing.
    Pro Bono.

    Meanwhile, the Secretary of State for technology implies you're a nonce if you have concerns about all this...


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  18. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Today in 'Government Cyper Awareness':

    The government: "We are in a cyber security crisis"

    Also the government: "If you're using a VPN you're a nonce and we will shut it down."

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    We hang in the balance, chaps.
    Not joking.
    Not even slightly.

    Our subject is war.
    Inherently violent by the lights of modern 'safety-ism'.
    Imagine that...

    QED - we are suspect.

    Sod reams of actual 'I-was-there' veteran testimony from beloved friends of ours over the years, & curated-by-expertise/cynicism solid historical information
    If you're in the UK, your government (and previous .Govs that initiated this insanity) does not care.
    They could not give one tiny shit.
    Fuck all.
    Not a sausage.


    Do not be surprised if WW2T disappears for UK users. (Not hyperbole. Fact.)
    And with that - look to your own perceptions of what is right & what is plainly wrong regarding governments & the Internet
    .
    Worst post I've ever felt the need to share.
    Seriously.
    Ever.

    ~A
     
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  20. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    The government should not be able to have it both ways.

    A boycott of all government websites would be a start.

    A spokesperson said "this is the modern age, you can only do that on the prerequisite government website".

    Joe public "but it's not safe".

    A S S "Who told you that?"

    J P "You".

    Their's is good and safe. Our's is not. According to the arbiters of what's ok, or not as the case may be (and currently is).

    Pile of horsesh1te.

    Don't use any government websites for any transactions. Boycott. Geoffrey.

    Keep playing the dead bat or we will be one!

    Kind regards, it's the spook's fault, always is (and dear Edward of the welsh mountain blew the whistle for us years ago).

    The things that come to pass and bite you in the a..

    Jim.

    P.S. "Is it safe?"
     
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