The most unenthusiastic Nazi salute ever?

Discussion in 'Prewar' started by Owen, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    For my birthday last week I had a book on Formula 1 circuits.
    This photo was in it which shows the two extremes of Nazi salute , the fervent Nazi on the left, Adolf Hühnlein , and Dick Seaman the pre-war British racing driver, at the Nurburgring in 1938.

    Adolf Hühnlein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Richard Seaman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Interesting article here.
    How Dick Seaman became a Nazi hero | Sport | The Observer

    In 1938 a young English aristocrat won the German Grand Prix - and gave a Hitler salute on the podium. A year later, the Führer returned the favour by sending a wreath to his funeral.....
    .....he had won the German Grand Prix in front of a fervently patriotic crowd, 300,000 strong, at Nurburgring. Garlanded in a giant laurel wreath, he took the podium and gave a Nazi salute. Not once, but twice. His friend, George Monkhouse, an engineer for Kodak and a celebrated trackside photographer, was there to record the scene. Perhaps it had been a rather half-hearted salute and Dick had, it's true, whispered down to John Dugdale of the Autocar: 'I wish it had been a British car';
     
  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Cheers Owen,

    300,000 crowd makes you wonder what H&S would have to say about that :D

    There was quite a lot of this about wasn't there? Getting other nationals to do a Nazi Salute after winning sports events in Germany no doubt for propaganda purposes and nothing else. Reminds me of good old Jessie Owens.....Now he really pissed Hitler off at the Munich Olympics :lol:
     
  3. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Cheers Owen,

    300,000 crowd makes you wonder what H&S would have to say about that :D

    There was quite a lot of this about wasn't there? Getting other nationals to do a Nazi Salute after winning sports events in Germany no doubt for propaganda purposes and nothing else. Reminds me of good old Jessie Owens.....Now he really pissed Hitler off at the Munich Olympics :lol:
    Drew, I think you meant the Berlin Olympics in 1936, the Munich ones werent until 1972!!

    Great links Owen and good article about Dick Seaman.
     
  4. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    lol, Cheers for that....

    My Girlfriend is currently on a operating table so thats my excuse for not thinking straight :(


    Anyway back to Dick ;)
     
  5. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

    Here's one I noticed the other night while watching 'devils Arithmetic'.
     

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  6. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Again, not very convincing.
    I wonder what reprecussions there were for officers etc who failed to salute properly when the SS/SD etc were around to witness it?

    Regards

    Tom
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Wasn't there a WW2 film where one of the German officers refused/avoided doing it?

    Luftwaffe springs to mind........Thats going to bug me all day now :(
     
  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Films aren't real life are they?
    Can we avoid talking about what you've seen in post-war films.
    I'd rather discuss what really happened.
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Most unenthusiastic Nazi salute ever?

    Nah, I just beat that, and rounded it off with a rude gesture ;).
     
  10. Auditman

    Auditman Senior Member

    England football team 1938. From the Daily Telegraph website
    On the advice of Sir Nevile Henderson, the British ambassador to Berlin, the team performed a full ‘Hitler salute’ during the pre-match performance of Deutschland über Alles.
    The Führer was not there to witness it himself, as he was returning from a trip to visit his great ally Benito Mussolini, but the shame would haunt Eddie Hapgood – the England captain – for the rest of his career.
    “I’ve been V-bombed in Brussels before the Rhine crossing, bombed and ‘rocketed’ in London, I’ve been in a shipwreck, a train crash, and inches short of a plane accident,” wrote Hapgood at the end of the War. “But the worst moment of my life, and one I would not willingly go through again, was giving the Nazi salute in Berlin.”
    Hapgood’s account of events – which suggested that the players had been under intense pressure to comply – was contradicted by Football Association secretary Stanle
    On the advice of Sir Nevile Henderson, the British ambassador to Berlin, the team performed a full ‘Hitler salute’ during the pre-match performance of Deutschland über Alles.
    The Führer was not there to witness it himself, as he was returning from a trip to visit his great ally Benito Mussolini, but the shame would haunt Eddie Hapgood – the England captain – for the rest of his career.
    “I’ve been V-bombed in Brussels before the Rhine crossing, bombed and ‘rocketed’ in London, I’ve been in a shipwreck, a train crash, and inches short of a plane accident,” wrote Hapgood at the end of the War. “But the worst moment of my life, and one I would not willingly go through again, was giving the Nazi salute in Berlin.”
    Hapgood’s account of events – which suggested that the players had been under intense pressure to comply – was contradicted by Football Association secretary Stanley Rous. “All agreed that they had no objection, and no doubt saw it as a bit of fun rather than of any political significance,” Rous wrote in justification.
    Revealingly, the one man who refused to give the salute – Stan Cullis – was quietly dropped from the team.
    6-3 to England (days before penalty shoot outs!
     
  11. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    You beat me to it Auditman :)
    Anyway here's the pic to the above story
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  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Priests giving the Hitler salute at a Catholic youth rally in the Berlin-Neukölln stadium in August 1933.
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  13. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Wasn't there a WW2 film where one of the German officers refused/avoided doing it?

    Luftwaffe springs to mind........Thats going to bug me all day now :(
    Wasnt it in the Great Escape? The camp commandant who was luftwaffe refused to give the Nazi Salute to the disgust of the SS officer delivering Richard Attenborough's character back after another failed escape attempt.

    Sorry to hear about your girlfriend hope it all goes ok. :)
     
  14. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    These days the Roman salute is only associated with Nazi Germany and Fascism. However, it had wider use, before the war American school kids would often use the Roman salute when swearing their daily oath of allegiance to the US flag. This was rapidly changed in 1940 to placing your hand on your heart.
     
  15. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    I know it is not right to say this and I ask the forgiveness of all concerned....the priests giving the salute .....I am thrown back to that classic "Father Ted" - "Ted is not a racist" - Mrs Doyle put up the "decorations" , Ted at the window...."That speck of black dirt" , the priest with the 3rd Reich collection...... bad I know but they just look so silly.

    That Hitler had his own church on the go or at least one which pout party first and God second - disgusting how people can be conned an won over.
     
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  16. Elven6

    Elven6 Discharged

    Could be the priests were hardcore traditional (Pre Enlightenment era) and felt offended having to essentially be forced to salute any of but god in such a manner?
     
  17. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    For me the odd headline caught my eye: Wayne Hennessey 'desperate' to learn about Nazis - Crystal Palace boss Roy Hodgson

    Wayne Hennessey 'desperate' to learn about Nazis - Crystal Palace boss Roy Hodgson

    Though - "The charge was found not proven after two members of the three-man panel believed the photograph had been "misinterpreted" and that Hennessey had been "trying to shout at and to catch the attention of the waiter".

    "Hodgson, 71, said: "I don't quite know what the young generation is learning about it."
     
  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    What a lot of old tosh the moron new what he was doing
    "desperate to learn" he is taking the piss and has successfully taken the piss

    They said
    However, the case was not proven after Hennessey told an FA panel he did not know what a Nazi salute was.

    total liar


    and the pathetic liberal panel dont nail him
     
  19. idler

    idler GeneralList Patron

    That's unforgivable - everyone knows that the left hand must form a fist with the unstraightened index finger rotated back through 90° and the middle bone thereof placed horizontally under the septum.

    When did it become a crime to disrespect former German leaders? Though I think I can understand why...
     
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