The German Identity Disc ERKENNUNGSMARKE

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  1. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Taken from I Corps itel file dated Jan. 1940 - WO 167/125.

    Posted for ref but I thought Dave would be interested in this:

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  2. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    I'm not really sure, but I think it was the first unit a soldier was in that is stamped on the ID. Afaik only the WASt can tell you the identity of a soldier based on his ID disc.
     
  3. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    correct only the frirst unit, so if they went to another unit, they still had their first unit number which made it sometimes very difficult to find out who he was, a fire (Ithink during the war) in their records left them also with a gap in their files.
     
  4. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    The plate is stamped twice with the details of the soldier.

    If the soldier is killed the plate is broken into two pieces and half remains with the body and the other with the person who removed, which is then handed to the commander to be forwarded to the graves registration office.

    Regards
    Tom
     
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  5. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Taken from I Corps itel file dated Jan. 1940 - WO 167/125.

    Posted for ref but I thought Dave would be interested in this:

    Thanks for that Andy.

    Interesting to see mention of zinc tags as early as January 1940 (most were aluminium at this stage). It also shows how blinkered British military intel must have been throughout the 1930's to be so unsure about them and what they mean...after all, they had been of that pattern for nearly 15 years at this point and there had been no secret about them in German documentation. They even get a write up in US Army notes on the German Army from (at least) as far back as 1936!

    Dave
     
  6. Groundhugger

    Groundhugger Senior Member

    I think the 'Unit' issued an ID tag to the soldier as against the Soldier keeping his own ID tag as in the British army.. could be wrong though !
     
  7. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    I think the 'Unit' issued an ID tag to the soldier as against the Soldier keeping his own ID tag as in the British army.. could be wrong though !

    German army, they actually did keep their ID tag.
     
  8. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I came across these German ID discs today on line. They are for members of two Panzer Battalions during the war. Reading the above thread, I am understanding it correctly, that a soldiers name was not written on his disc, just his unit and number?

    Another question; does anyone know what the small letter O stands for on the second disc?

    2 Coy. 561 Jager Panzer Battalion. Personal no. 260.jpg 3 Coy. 507 Heavy Panzer Battalion Personal no. 422.jpg
     
  9. Seroster

    Seroster Canadian researcher Patron

    I have no idea but from the shape of the stroke it might be a zero rather than an O. It looks the same to me as the zero in 507.
     
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  10. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Thanks Chris, you could be right there.
     
  11. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

  12. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I think you might be onto something there. Makes sense to id a soldiers blood group.
     
  13. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I have been exploring deeper into my earlier question and have discovered that the letter on the lower half of the second disc, does signify the soldier's blood group, so thanks again.
     
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  14. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    I think that you will find that the 507 Panzer Regiment had TIGER 1 Tanks.
    Heavy Panzer Battalions.
    Regards
    Tom
     
  15. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Thanks Tom. I was only repeating the info for each disc that was given on the original images. It is the first time I had seen such items and found them rather interesting even though they are off-topic for me.
     
  16. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    They dont have those sort of Tigers in the Far East - do they??:rolleyes:

    TD
     
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