The Cost of War - German Casualty Photos

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  1. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Ah, forgot these ones. First... Organisation Todt?

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    I would imagine Paul that the OT in the card stands for Organisation Todt alright.
     
  2. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    And here is the log entry for 326th Squadron 92nd Bombing Group in relation to that 12th July raid: 12 July 1944
    seven crews out again for the same target, Munich

    Thomas - 293
    Brechbill - 697
    Maltby - 227
    Henry - 121
    Reifsteck - 217
    Shanks - 299
    Robertson - 535
    Brand - 614
    McCormick flying in lead 40th B Group
    bad weather here on return for landing
    three ships landed away from base
    one ships staying overnight at Oakington with an engine out
    flak heavy, accurate
    two men injured by flak, Sgts. Nagel and Edwards
    one ship crash landed from another squadron 121 parked in at 327th dispersal site
    another ship taxiing by rammed a wing into it
    putting it out of commission for a couple of weeks


    From this link: 92nd USAAF-USAF Memorial Association
     
  3. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    A very nice find Paul. Any from Arnhem, Fallschirmjager?

    Andy

    Not seen any FJ yet, and I've posted an Arnhem casualty on the previous page.
     
  4. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Hi,
    Interesting stuff are they similar to the so called German Death Cards ?If anyone wants to view some examples of these there are 116 examples at
    WWII German Soldier Death Cards pictures from military photos on webshots
    Regards
    Verrieres

    Hi - yes similar, in that they contain similar info but are larger and there is no religious message as there are on Sterbebilder.

    That's an interesting collection you posted a link to!
     
  5. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Paul,

    An excellent collection and thanks for sharing on the forum.

    The picture No 9 I think is that of a normal Panzer crew. The collar flashes were both skulls, but different to the 'Deaths head' SS skull.
    The uniform was always black and is confusing.

    Regards
    Tom

    It is. The "huzzar" totenkopf is different to the SS version and he's got the Heer "Adler und Reichs kokarde" on his feldmutze as opposed to the SS Eagle and Skull which would be found on a crewman of the SS-T.

    Dave. (Pity we can't see the pretty pink piping!:D)

    Thanks, guys. I haven't come to grips with German uniforms as yet, so this is useful. Yes, pity they aren't in colour!!
     
  6. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    And here is the log entry for 326th Squadron 92nd Bombing Group in relation to that 12th July raid: 12 July 1944
    seven crews out again for the same target, Munich

    Thomas - 293
    Brechbill - 697
    Maltby - 227
    Henry - 121
    Reifsteck - 217
    Shanks - 299
    Robertson - 535
    Brand - 614
    McCormick flying in lead 40th B Group
    bad weather here on return for landing
    three ships landed away from base
    one ships staying overnight at Oakington with an engine out
    flak heavy, accurate
    two men injured by flak, Sgts. Nagel and Edwards
    one ship crash landed from another squadron 121 parked in at 327th dispersal site
    another ship taxiing by rammed a wing into it
    putting it out of commission for a couple of weeks


    From this link: 92nd USAAF-USAF Memorial Association

    Thanks for that and the other info on the raid. I was wondering who might have been in action over Munich that day.
     
  7. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Panzer (Totenkopf?), Western Front:

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    I thought he might have been a member of the 116th Panzer Division but it was resting and refitting in Dusseldorf from Sept to October 1944. THe known Heer Panxer Divisions in the West at the time were the 2nd, 9th, and 21st. Panzer Lehr were also refitting at this time.
     
  8. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Just found him on VDK:

    Nachname: Winkler
    Vorname: Sebastian
    Dienstgrad: Unteroffizier
    Geburtsdatum: 08.02.1916
    Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 08.10.1944

    Sebastian Winkler rests on the war grave place in Andilly (France).
    Final grave situation: Block 27 row 1 grave 24

    Yahoo Translation of the cemetery details:

    The German war grave place is appropriate for the city Toul in the French Département Meurthe et Moselle, about 12 kilometers north, and is the largest of the Second World War in France. In the boundary of the small place Andilly, which counts hardly 250 inhabitants, the American grave service began with the imbedding of own and German falling on 12 September 1944. It concerned thereby first dead ones which were fallen to the west of Metz in the area. So enstand “US Temporary Cemetery Andilly” for 3400 American and 5000 German soldiers.

    In the years 1945/46 the American grave service in pc. Avold put on a final cemetery for its falling and transferred all on provisional plants Bestatteten, under it also the dead ones of Andilly, on this plant. 575 falling came from pc. Avold and 4891 from Epinal Dinoze, so that the number of the soldiers resting in Andilly rose to 11000. In the French-German war grave agreement from the year 1954 it was agreed upon that Andilly remains existing as final German war grave place. Zubettungen began Or in the year 1957 from the Départements Nievre, Saône-et-Loire, Côte D `; Marne, law, Doubs, strike Saône, Vosges, Belfort, Meuse struck et Meurthe et Moselle.

    With the Umbettungsaktionen with a regular search of the entire area nearly 2000 up to then in the grave situation unknown German dead ones, particularly in the Vogesen, were found. After conclusion of the Umbettungsarbeiten in the spring 1961 the landscape-gardening and structural organization of the cemetery began. An embankment, which is bepflanzt with bushes, forms a permanent enclosure. Scatters standing groups of trees and a close wreath/ring of trees around the cemetery approximately lends to this already today the character of a light Haines.

    By a art-forged door in the building of entrances the visitor enters the cemetery and has from here a far view over the grave field. Left lies honour-resounds, whose shows niche wall the mosaic of three mourning soldiers. The altar stone before it carries the inscription: “33085 German soldiers are bedded on this soldier cemetery to the last peace”. In a niche wall is located a cross, which had confessed Pouxeux once on the German war grave place. German prisoners of war had carved it for their dead comrades. On the right page, in a small area, the name books that are laid out here Bestatteten in a shrine. The cemetery was inaugurated on 29 September 1962.

    Start:
    Situation: About 10 km north of Toul. Of Toul on the D 904 to MenillaTour (11 km), here on the right to the village Andilly, afterwards on the D 10 about 3 km to the cemetery. Follow the signpost/guide! On MichelinKarte No. 62 drawn in!

    Distances: starting from Kehl approx. 195 km starting from Trier approx. 170 km starting from Saarbruecken approx. 120 km starting from Aachen approx. 270 km
     
  9. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Kriegsmarine:

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    Could this be a U-Boat man?
    There is a Anton Bergbauer in the crew list of U-460

    U-Boat Crew Lists

    EDIT: Does look like a U-Boat cap and badge.
     
  10. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    That's really interesting, Geoff. I had failed to find him on the VDK site, so am presuming men lost at sea are not commemorated? This was in among 1943 casualties, so it does seem to fit.
     
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  11. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    That's really interesting, Geoff. I had failed to find him on the VDK site, so am presuming men lost at sea are not commemorated? This was in among 1943 casualties, so it does seem to fit.
    Seem to be lots missing on VDK, but I've never searched it for sea losses, so don't know if they are generally missing.
    There does seem to be good U-Boat crew lists on the site I gave, WW1 also.
    I checked the others photos for CWGC graves (6000+). Most are Cannock, but could not find any matches for those in France for the western casualties of other photos.
     
  12. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    That's really interesting, Geoff. I had failed to find him on the VDK site, so am presuming men lost at sea are not commemorated? This was in among 1943 casualties, so it does seem to fit.

    Paul, I found this entry:

    Nachname: Bergbauer
    Vorname: Anton Franz
    Dienstgrad: Obergefreiter
    Geburtsdatum: 23.01.1922
    Geburtsort:
    Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 04.10.1943

    States that he could be commemorated at two places, one a U-boot memorial at Kiel.

    This entry is the only one for '43 for that name...
    D
     
  13. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Thanks for that Diane... somehow I failed to find that!
     
  14. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Unfortunately the VDK website has encryption keys in the URLs - so I cannot do a search engine for this :mad:
     
  15. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique MOD

    Unfortunately the VDK website has encryption keys in the URLs - so I cannot do a search engine for this :mad:

    That's a real shame.

    I also wish VDK would add the unit details for each casualty - they do have them, but for a number of reasons won't state them.
     
  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Old thread I know but I seemed to have missed it for over 5 years.
    Shame Paul is so busy it'd be good to see them all online.
     

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