The autobahn

Discussion in 'Prewar' started by Gerard, Jun 16, 2008.

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  1. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Getting very topical for toady's announcement that the British Grand Prix is to got to Donington Park from 2010, Rosemeyer won there back in 1937.

    The last race of the season was the Donington Grand Prix in front of 50,000 shocked British fans. Shocked because they had never seen the likes of the German cars that destroyed their local heroes. Though he had scored several victories against the Mercedes juggernaut he looked forward to the prospect of his friend, Nuvolari joining the team for 1938.

    Grand Prix Hall of Fame - Bernd Rosemeyer - Biography

    See also.
    1937 Donington Grand Prix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Does that mean that on the podium with three Germans there were 3 Nazi flags flying in Britian?
    Anyone have photos of that day?
    Bit of footage from 2.28 onwards.
    YouTube - 1937 Coppa Acerbo & Donington GP

    I think I have to buy this book.
    Amazon.co.uk: Hitler's Grands Prix in England: Donington 1937 and 1938: Christopher Hilton: Books

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    AbeBooks: Search Results - Hitler's Grands Prix in England

    As war clouds gathered over Europe, two of the most astonishing sporting events of all time were run in the grounds of a genteel English stately home. The 1937 and 1938 grands prix at Donington Park in Leicestershire were a chilling preview of Germany's technical dominance. The English amateur drivers were decimated by the monstrous vehicles and sheer professionalism of the Mercedes-Benz and Auto Union teams.In an extraordinary piece of research, backed up with rare historical pictures, the events are described fully for the first time.These races had all the ingrediants of colourful melodrama-the intense rivalry of the German teams, mounting political unease, rabid nationalism, a doomed love affair and Nazi salutes in English parkland. The author has drawn on extensive research in British and German sources and qoutes eye- witness accounts from two of the surviving drivers and people who watched the races including Murray Walker and Tom Wheatcroft.
     
  3. Owen

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  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    The bridge over the Mangfall river valley southeast of Munich was the first long bridge in Hitler's Autobahn highway system.


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  5. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Here is a thread that deals with the whereabouts of the Auto-Union cars of the 1930's:

    8W - What? - Auto Union
     
  6. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

  7. von Poop

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  8. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Fantastic site Adam. some of that stuff is really interesting. Would love the Beer Mug!!
     
  9. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Form anyone interested I have recently read that the authorities in Berlin want to build a museum on the site of the old Avis grandstand. It will be lots of glass and I believe will also house an Audi car showroom.
    Audio must obviously be sponsoring the museum.
    I have no idea if the project will take off, but the old grandstand appears to be sufferering the effects of time at the moment as you zoom past.
    Any new development to help preserve some old heritage is welcome.

    Regards

    Tom
     
  10. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Absolutely Tom and a worthy cause it would be too. Its an important piece of Motor Racing history.
     
  11. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    As soon as I hear any further information on the subject I will post it.

    Tom
     
  12. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    ............The autobahn freeway system quickly became a symbol of Nazi Germany. Its construction was seen as a major element of Germany's economic resurgence under Hitler, and was compared with the projects of Roosevelt's New Deal.

    The reality was little different, however. Initially, the autobahn system was proposed and planned under the Social Democrats of Weimar Germany. At that point, the German military objected to the freeways because they might point the way for enemy aircraft seeking German cities! This was one of the reasons that the Nazis also objected to the plans. However, once they came to power, the Nazis realized its economic potential and enthusiastically endorsed freeway construction. To be sure, only about 100,000 people worked directly on the autobahns, but it did help other sectors of the German economy and became an essential part of the infrastructure for Germany's military in World War Two......

    [​IMG]Nazi Architecture- Autobahns








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  13. Jan7

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  14. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Autobahns,of course meant the availability of a fast road system in place for rapid mobilisation to the Third Reich's borders for the upkeep of manpower and military supplies.A contrast is to look in France for the evidence of old RNs,they must have been very slow to negotiate by military traffic, further disruptured by fleeing civilians.

    It was also said that the bridge crossings over the Rhine performed the same purpose for rapid access by German might to the western fronteriers.Bridges such as the Remagen rail bridge,that is the Ludendorff bridge,erected in the late 19th century was said to be erected by the Kaiser for his western expansion plans.
     
  15. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    Autobahns,of course meant the availability of a fast road system in place for rapid mobilisation to the Third Reich's borders for the upkeep of manpower and military supplies.


    ...or when planned a rapid movement of the Heer and/or SA around the country in time of civil unrest? Remember, the NSDAP's hold on Germany was anything but complete for several years...;) Three days of KPD/SA rioting in Berlin in late autumn 1933, snipers taking potshots at NSDAP election workers in "Red Saxony"...
     
  16. Harry Ree

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  17. Owen

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    Whilst looking for old film of Monza I found this from 1936, with Nazi flags on parade on the grid.
    Thought it might be of interest.

    British Pathe - ITALIAN GRAND PRIX
     
  18. Owen

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  20. phylo_roadking

    phylo_roadking Very Senior Member

    If you look at the available records you will find that neighbour was reporting neighbour for petty infractions.


    But only after some years when the system was firmly entrenched. As for the performance of the Gestapo - remember the informer system allowed them to control/police the nation with relatively few few men.

    One of the features of the German internal security system was....it was anything but complete or totally effective. As late as 1942 the munitions industry industrialists in Berlin were able to get around the system to give their Jewish workers massed warning of the SS/Gestapo roundups...on three separate occasions :mellow: allowing thousands to go temporarily into hiding. Even during the last roundup some 8,000 managed to evade arrest. One of the failed roundups MAY actually have involved armed resistance by the Jewish workers (if Goebbels diaries can be taken at face value)....and given that the Gestapo controlled and monitored the domestic telephone network - that's hell of a lot of people had to be warned BY a lot of people in person!!!

    The other point about autobahns was that they made excellent emergency airstrips.

    After some work; several were prepared for Me262 operations in late 1944, and again in 1945, but only a couple ever used. The work involved removing the central reservation (for width) and then replacing it with something that looked the same to aerial observation ;) Or else they were just begging to be cratered in advance. One of the reasons the first round of work was temporarily halted was the cost in manpower and transport of the conversion work.
     

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