Tanks

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by montgomery, Feb 13, 2006.

  1. ourbill

    ourbill Senior Member

    The British 17lb anti -tank gun was a match for any German tank, as was the 6lb anti-tank gun with the later developed ammunition.
     
  2. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    Could be wrong but didn't they use a Pershing for the German tank in " To Hell and Back", the film of Audie Murphy's biography.

    The "Tiger tank" that has been used in many recent films, is in fact a modified T34!

    Bovingdon Tank Museum has a real Tiger that they drive around in during open days
     
  3. marko2te

    marko2te Junior Member

    Hi guys this is my first post, I think that best tank is StugIII if u can count
    it as a tank its more a infantry support/anti-tank vehicle it was easy and cheap to manufacture, fast, reliable, easy to repair, good armour and firepower, StugIII has most comfired tanks destroyed more than 20000!!!!
     
  4. von_noobie

    von_noobie Junior Member

    yeah ok the stug III was a good assault gun but you need to look at the ratio of the amount built to the amount of enemy tanks destroyed.

    for example: stug III: Ausf A, 30 built
    Ausf B, 320 built
    Ausf D, 150 built
    Ausf E, 272 built
    Ausf F, 359 built
    Ausf G, 7720 built + another 173 converted from Pz III,

    there is know a total of 9,024, so when you do the maths they were good but the panther in later years was better as was the tiger, and the Pz IV was well a good alround tank through out the whole war,

    the King Tiger i beleive was better than what peaple say, but they came to late as did much of the stuff germany needed, had they had them at the start of '44 you could have seen some interesting battles, but they didn't,
    the M26 pershing was a great tank but the allies had bsolutley no real good tactics to take on german Pnz's, for example on average for every Panther knocked out or destroyed the allies lost 6 shermans,

    It is easy to say that the King Tiger is bad as it was to easy to spot from the air becouse of its size, well what if it was the other way around and the germans had air mass airsupport and the allies with almost nothing, do you believe the sherman would have faired any better,
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The "Tiger tank" that has been used in many recent films, is in fact a modified T34!

    Chatting to the bloke who built it, it is in fact a modified t55 running backwards, look at the gap between the roadwheels, t55 style but at the wrong end, not sure if the t34 could do its amazing smoke laying trick, that's distinctively post war.

    EDIT (long after the fact): To add to this, the SPR ones are indeed T34s, the more recent job for BoB that has appeared in many productions is the t55 modified by one Carl Brown.
     
  6. superfortress

    superfortress Junior Member

    Out of all the sherman tanks built i only know of one where it has beaten a tiger in battle. The shell struck the tiger right between the turret and main body of the tank, bucking the metal enough to disable turret movement. The crew abandoned the tank. The turret is kept at bovington tank museum or at least it was when i visited a few years ago.
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Out of all the sherman tanks built i only know of one where it has beaten a tiger in battle. The shell struck the tiger right between the turret and main body of the tank, bucking the metal enough to disable turret movement. The crew abandoned the tank. The turret is kept at bovington tank museum or at least it was when i visited a few years ago.
    The Bovington Tiger was knocked out by churchills!
    to say no other shermans knocked out a tiger is errant rubbish, sorry mate but Even Wittman was taken out by shermans, A Variety of other things were succesful against them but don't you think the most common Allied vehicle might have had the odd succesful skirmish with the big cat?? Read some books matey..;)
     
  8. lilrusty

    lilrusty Junior Member

    Patton gave up his opportunity to have his "Tiger". The Pershing M26 was ready to into full production in early 44 and was demo-ed in England prior to D-Day. Ike was promised several hundred ready to go for D-Day and many junior armor officers wanted it, Patton refused, feeling that the Sherman was smaller and therefore would be more mobile and use less full. What if the allies had 500 Pershings in Normady? The outcome of the war would have been much different...
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The T26E1, the theoretical pershing was only created in the form of 10 unproven vehicles by june 44 (DDay), Actual Pershing Prototypes (t26e3)were only 'ready to go' (approved for limited procurement) in december 1944, 20 were availabe as production had actually begun in November. After the ardennes finally convinced the Army board of Shermans inadequacies 20 were shipped in Jan 45. Patton and Ike would have very little say in procurement issues, The delay in the Pershing project were caused at the highest levels, the Army board not wishing to divert production until the design was fully proven (though she gained 'combat approval' very rapidly if the design had shown more flaws the loss of Sherman production could have been disastrous for the heavy fighting in 44 & 45). Pershing could never have been ready for DDay
     
  10. lilrusty

    lilrusty Junior Member

    In the book "Death Traps, Survival of an American Armored Division" by Belton Cooper who was the liasion maintanence officer for CCB of the 3rd Armored wrote of a demostration in England of the Pershing prototype and the subsquent developments between Patton and the other Armored force officers prior to D-Day. Mr. Cooper discusses the implacations of Pattons decision not to request the production models of the T26e3 that could have been made available for D-Day. Very intresting reading
     
  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Sounds good, just ordered it.
    Does it say when this demonstration's supposed to have happened (and where, which'll make references easier to find). seems impossible to have been an E3 'combat ready' model as those were only started in Nov. 44 so if it did occur it's going to be a t26e1 (only 10 built at Grand-Blanc)and I'm not (yet) aware of any of them being shipped out, if it was an e1 then there was still a lot of work to be done before it could be trusted in combat (even though a rather hysterical request for 500 of them and the t25 had been made in 1943, rather unrealistic.). The request for 90 and 105mm armed tanks only went through the board on 1st june 44 so still too late for DDay. Are there pictures in the book? Looking forward to it.
    Don't really think Patton had the political power by that point to make any real 'decisions' at that level..
    (By the way, welcome to this odd place fellow tank-nerd!);)
     
  12. HUBSCHRAUBER

    HUBSCHRAUBER Junior Member

    I like the Jagdpanther Tankdestroyer.
    I know it wasn't the best but it is my favourite.
     
  13. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I like the Jagdpanther Tankdestroyer.
    I know it wasn't the best but it is my favourite.
    So do I mate.
    They've just restored one to full running condition in this country.
    Check out SDKFZ.COM at: http://www.sdkfz.com/site/index.php for details.
    Excellent site with many other beautiful restorations..
     

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