Tanks: periodical returns of production figures (UK), Jan 1944 - April 1945

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  1. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    SECRET.

    PRIME MINISTER.

    I attach the monthly tank and armoured car production figures furnished by the Ministry of Supply.

    20th January, 1944.


    [Handwritten note]: Seen by P.M. No. comment.



    [Hand-written]: Brig. Jacob


    TOP SECRET

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    December, 1944 (Calendar figures)


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 6

    Centaur - 28

    Cromwell - 89

    Challenger - 16

    Comet - 79

    Valentine S.P. - 36

    Churchill (all Heavy) - 80

    Armoured Cars - 75


    Conversions

    17-pounder Sherman - 164

    17-pounder M.10 - 82

    D.D. Valentine - 14 (Complete)



    Cen. Stats. 1214

    13.1.44



    SECRET

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    December, 1944


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 6

    Centaur - 28

    Cromwell - 89

    Challenger -16

    Comet - 79

    Valentine S.P. - 36

    Churchill (all Heavy) - 80

    TOTAL - 334


    Conversions

    To 17-pounder Sherman - 164

    To 17-pounder M.10 - 82

    To D.D. Sherman - 14


    Armoured Cars - 75
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    dbf, Jan 24, 2012
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  2. dbf

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    TOP SECRET.

    PRIME MINISTER.

    I attach the monthly tank and armoured car production figures furnished by the Ministry of Supply.

    (Signed) E.I.G. Jacob


    16TH FEBRUARY, 1944.

    [Handwritten note]: Seen by the Prime Minister, no comment.

    [signed]?
    20/2




    [Hand-written]: Maj. Gen. Jacob


    TOP SECRET

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    January, 1945 (Calendar figures)


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 6

    Centaur - 22

    Cromwell - 48

    Challenger - 14

    Comet - 77

    Valentine S.P. - 53

    Churchill (all Heavy) - 80

    Armoured Cars - 64


    Conversions

    17-pounder Sherman - 137

    17-pounder M.10 - 84



    Cen. Stats. 2335

    9.2.44



    SECRET

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    January, 1945


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 6

    Centaur - 22

    Cromwell - 48

    Challenger -14

    Comet - 77

    Valentine S.P. - 53

    Churchill (all Heavy) - 80

    TOTAL - 300


    Conversions

    To 17-pounder Sherman - 137

    To 17-pounder M.10 - 84


    Armoured Cars - 64
    .
     
    dbf, Jan 24, 2012
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  3. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    TOP SECRET.

    PRIME MINISTER.

    I attach the monthly tank and armoured car production figures furnished by the Ministry of Supply.

    (Signed) E.I.G. Jacob


    28TH MARCH, 1944.


    [Initialled and dated by hand]:
    W.S.C.
    3/4/45



    [Hand-written]: Maj. Gen. Jacob


    SECRET

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    February, 1945 (Calendar figures)


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 1

    Centaur - 1

    Cromwell - 20

    Challenger - 13

    Comet - 94

    Valentine S.P. - 43

    Avenger S.P. - 1

    Churchill [not specified] - 80

    Armoured Cars - 92


    Conversions

    17-pounder Sherman - 82

    17-pounder M.10 - 95


    Avenger S.P. mounts a 17-pounder on Challenger type chassis.


    Cen. Stats. 4255

    27.3..45



    TOP SECRET

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    February, 1944


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 1

    Centaur - 1

    Cromwell - 20

    Challenger -13

    Comet - 94

    Valentine S.P. - 43

    *Avenger S.P. - 1

    Churchill [not specified] - 80

    TOTAL - 253


    Conversions

    To 17-pounder Sherman - 82

    To 17-pounder M.10 - 95


    Armoured Cars - 92


    *Mounts a 17-pounder on Challenger type chassis.
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    dbf, Jan 24, 2012
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  4. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Officer of the Minister of Supply


    TOP SECRET.

    PRIME MINISTER.

    I attach the monthly tank and armoured car production figures furnished by the Ministry of Supply.

    (Signed) E.I.G. Jacob


    16TH APRIL, 1944.

    [Handwritten note]: No - forget it.



    [Hand-written]: Maj. Gen. Jacob


    SECRET

    March, 1945 (Calendar figures)


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 2

    Cromwell - 8

    Challenger - 15

    Comet - 166

    Valentine S.P. - 42

    Avenger - Nil

    Churchill [not specified] - 96

    Armoured Cars - 106


    Conversions

    17-pounder Sherman - 54

    17-pounder M.10 - 30


    Cen. Stats. 4752

    15.4.45



    OFFICE OF THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    March, 1945


    New Vehicles

    Harry Hopkins - 2

    Cromwell - 8

    Challenger - 15

    Comet - 166

    Valentine S.P. - 42

    Avenger S.P. - Nil

    Churchill [not specified] - 96

    TOTAL - 329


    Conversions

    To 17-pounder Sherman - 54

    To 17-pounder M.10 - 30


    Armoured Cars - 106
    .
     
    dbf, Jan 24, 2012
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  5. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    [Hand-written]: Major-General Jacob


    SECRET

    A.F.V. PRODUCTION

    April, 1945 (Calendar figures)


    New Vehicles

    Cromwell - 3

    Challenger - 5

    Comet - 143

    Churchill [not specified] - 90

    Alecto (Harry Hopkins S.P.) - 3

    Archer (Valentine S.P.) - 40

    Avenger S.P. - 1


    Armoured Cars - 25


    Conversions

    17-pounder Sherman - 18

    17-pounder M.10 - 16


    Cen. Stats. 5577

    12.5..45


    [Handwritten note]: Mr. ? asked to discontinue Return.
    14/5
    .
     
    dbf, Jan 24, 2012
    #25
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Well done Diane...You certainly make it look easier to read/follow on here than the actual document did when I copied it.

    One question - I thought you was going to wait for the much, much thicker file Tanks: periodical returns of production figures (UK), 1939 - Dec 1943
     
    Drew5233, Jan 24, 2012
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    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    practice :D
     
    dbf, Jan 24, 2012
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  8. rick wedlock

    rick wedlock Member

    very interesting, thanks for taking the time to post it all.

    cheers

    rick
     
    rick wedlock, Jan 28, 2012
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  9. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Illustrated London News 27 July 1946
    Illustrated London News 27 July 1946, 1.jpg
     

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  10. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian

    Interesting article, although I don't accept that the "potential value" of the 6-pounder was not known. It was a matter of production numbers, so far as I know - the changeover delay and reduced production numbers seemed unacceptable.

    P.S. I don't suppose this is where David Fletcher got the title of his book?
     
    Chris C, Jul 23, 2017
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