It appears to me that our efforts to bring western style democracy and social values to both Iraq and Afghanistan have been neither successful nor wanted by the majority of the inhabitants.We being regarded as Christians they fear for their religion. We are an occupying power propping up puppet governments. It does not inspire locals when western politicians speak of better to fight the war there than in the west. No one likes their country to be used as a battle ground . The two invasions were knee jerk reactions by politicians. Of course George Bush was expected to do something after 9/11 but in my opinion he was given bad advice. I think a low key war against the Taliban using those groups who oppose them i.e The Warlords would caused less political damage around the Arab world. The Terrorists, by whatever name, have had their victory. The distrust and hatred between the Christian West and the Muslim East has not been this great since the Ottoman Empire tried to spread into Europe. It is now a case of withdrawing whist saving face. That is another political decision to be made but none want that hot potato .