Sudden explosion of project requests from Canadian Schools

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by Tricky Dicky, May 20, 2016.

  1. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Does anyone have any idea why we are suddenly receiving loads of requests for details on Canadian servicemen of WW2, from schools??

    Perhaps our Canadian forum members have some idea??

    Thanks
    TD
     
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  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    to keep us busy mate
     
  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    But aren't they supposed to be doing the research for their projects

    TD
     
  4. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    It could be 'the time of year' that schools are studying WW2. It looks like students have to do a project. In the modern era how many students use the Internet as the 'be all and end all' to copy and paste answers to projects?
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Seems to happen every year.
    Maybe I should make a special forum logo; a moose in a mortarboard or something...
     
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  6. Incredibledisc

    Incredibledisc Well-Known Member

    As a teacher I can confirm that this is often the case - you set an assignment and get handed in a load of stuff they've just cut and pasted from someplace. Sometimes they don't even bother to remove the hyperlinks or change the spelling from US English. They are horrified if you suggest reading a book!

    To be fair, compared to the requests I saw posted yesterday this latest batch are at least trying to go about it the right way.
     
  7. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I noticed this also TD.
     
  8. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    What a good idea but must be eating a Scotch Egg.......or driving one of those funny looking German tractors
     
  9. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

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  10. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Unlike some other websites (which I shall refrain from naming) this website is free to join and to make posts. Are students able to do their own Internet searches without relying on existing WW2 Talk members doing it for them?

    It would be interesting to find out what attribution is given for using the research, photographs and written work of others?
     
  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    It also seems odd to me that they do not seem to have contacted Canada's National Archives, this could be their fault or do you think that perhaps the teachers would at least provide some rudimentary links, or information.

    I think many of us answer these requests because thats who we are, however is it good idea to as Tullybone says 'spoon feed' them the information I assume part of their project (and perhaps the major part) is to learn how and where to find information from.

    TD

    edited to add:

    So if we send them this link - http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/second-world-war/second-world-war-dead-1939-1947/Pages/files-second-war-dead.aspx and perhaps ask them to give it to their teacher .......................
     
  12. Incredibledisc

    Incredibledisc Well-Known Member

    I made a lengthy comment in one of the other threads about how to go about researching for a project - maybe someone could copy it and pin it into a thread called something like "how to start your research" maybe add links to useful sites like the one you just added TD?
     
  13. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Perhaps I`m cynical but I think someone`s taking the piss! All the requests posted within a 15 minute period???? If it were a project it would have to be handed in by now the schools are gearing up for the summer and 6th Formers in the North east leave next week only returning for exams...........Lets see how many return for their answers


    Kyle
     
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  14. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I don't really mind.
    Once a year we get a rash of Septic and Canuck kids asking questions (See 2F for more), and it probably at least indicates some kids somewhere are being cruelly forced to look at family history or the war itself.
    Take 'em as you find, chaps. Ignore or answer at will.
    As for concentration of requests - class computers, Skype, Facetime, Friendface, Twatter. Clusters form fast.

    And...
    Evenin' Canuck kids.
    Be nice, and you might get some help.
    You might just get sarcasm too... I'm cool with either. ;)
     
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  15. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    A pretty common Canadian school project, I've helped with similar requests for several. Mine are usually one-offs, so the recent swarm must reflect the high esteem for the quality of this board at one Edmonton High School. Students typically have a personnel file, but that's it. Happen to have recently chatted with a couple of History teachers who have 'commissioned' similar projects and think most here are on the right track. Doesn't help to spoon-feed a completed project to them, but if you have info otherwise difficult to obtain (war diaries, obscure histories, etc.), it can help them flesh things out and perhaps spur the odd one to dig a little deeper. Not always the case, but they occasionally have a very positive outcome with family identified, new details uncovered etc.

    Absolutely reasonable to ask what they have/know already and what they want to know more about. Like grown-ups too, most will take what you provide and head on their way without acknowledgement or thanks.
     
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  16. 17thDYRCH

    17thDYRCH Senior Member

    I am a Canadian.
    Anything to help this generation is greatly appreciated. Unlike the Dutch or the German school system, our schools spend very little time on either WW1 or WW2.
     
  17. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    I think teachers should be told with the dwindling number of veterans, first hand testimony is rather limited.

    I'm often not sure they realise that these events took place over 71 years ago, and that people tend to age and pass on.
     
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  18. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    I noticed last evening after a few of them had started their own new threads, that 4 of them were talking to each other on chat


    Lesley
     
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  19. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    I wonder how many of these students requesting information to cut and paste for their projects will actually come back and say "Thanks"?
    Will they even acknowledge how little work they've done themselves?
     
  20. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Got your grumpy head on today Kevin? ;) I've moved your post to the general thread on this topic.


    A few of my own thoughts on the matter in hand....

    As this is the weekend, doubtless most of the kids in question won't be logging on again until class time.

    No one is obliged to answer any enquiry thread on this forum. As has been mentioned earlier there are plenty of examples over the years showing adults who don't come back, who probably add info to their family tree with no or little acknowledgement to the help from members of this forum.

    Bearing that all in mind: anyone who does respond, will do so out of an interest in sharing information not only with the OP but also with the wider internet community... relatives even, who join up later to thank or to add.


    Over the years there have been many discussions here about how little is taught about WW2 in schools, how little interest apparently seems to be shown by youngsters in learning anything about the subject. And now observations about kids daring to join up and ask (however clumsily) for help from members. There's no harm in addressing 'communication failures' but I thought most of us log on for every day to see how we can contribute ... bear in mind someone must have recommended this forum to the kids in question as a useful / helpful resource.

    If it's objectionable doing research for anyone, then there's no harm in telling people where to look online, instead of c&p'ing info. (However, we all know there are plenty of similar requests every day from those e.g. who will never buy reference books simply because they are only researching one or two individuals.)

    Perhaps someone versed in researching Canadian personnel might feel inclined to start a thread covering links and resources relevant to that particular area, which people could then be pointed to in future?
     

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