Submachine gun ID

Hi all,

Anyone know what these submachine guns are?

Picture is in Greece, I think.

 

I may be wrong but they look like Thompson Submachine Guns

 

I think they are M42 in the fore ground and left the one on the right that appears to something else.
Matt

 

Thanks guys.

UD M42 it is. I was most interested in the two on the left. My fault for not being clearer in the question. This picture is another angle of one I saw in a book called 'The Ariadne Objective' by Wes Davis. The picture in the book only showed the UD M42s and showed them very clearly but I couldn't find a copy of it on line so I got 'target fixation' on the two on the left when I found this picture

UD M42 is completly new to me, so that's what I learned about WWII today!

http://www.marlinforum.com/The-Marlin-UDM-42-Submachine-gun.html

 

Actually...It's on Crete. That's a quite famous group pic of some of the local Andartes and the Greek commandos that formed Paddy Fermor's kidnap party. The SOE were given odd batches of various weapon types, as they were the poorest of poor relations to the "regular" covert services...which is how they came into possession of the Marlins. Fermor's party was equipped with Marlins, which when they left the island with Gen. Kreipe they gifted to the locals.

 

there is a you tube clip of the ud m42 draining a mag pretty easy to see why the pistol grip is in front of the mag

 

OK you guys perhaps you can explain this abbreviation I found in WO170/1237 for my dad's war diary >> 29 Sept 1944 T.S.M.C range practice. Looked everywhere to find what T.S.M.C. is abbreviation for. To an illiterate female on military abbreviations they are trying my patience.

Thanks
Margaret

 

I'd suggest 'Thomson Sub-Machine Carbine'. WO 170 being the Mediterranean series, so I imagine there were more than a few still knocking around out there in 1944.

 

Thank you very much Idler, I shall go with your suggestion as Dad was off to Greece and practicing for the regiment's amended role from artillery to infantry. Had fun (tongue in cheek) as well in Athens from what I can make out in the diaries. Seems the fighting in Greece is a forgotten part of the war as well.

Margaret

 

Just to add. 8th Army used Thompsons SMG all the way through...it simplified the supply problems. 45 ACP ammo only. In NWE is was the same for the 1st Can Army and the British 2nd Army...9mm only for the Sten.

 

I don't think this is generally known, but the US M3 submachine gun was also issued to some units of 8th Army in Italy. I've seen a photo of an officer of 168th Brigade (56th London Div) carrying one.

 

thanks TTH I was unaware of this, it was 45 APC cartridge so it would not create any foul up in the supply lines... I guess "the grease gun" showed up in NWE as well in July '44. Of course was widely used in the Pacific last months

 

The weapons in question are the Marlin UD M42 which were most likely obtained from the OSS.

http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCGI.exe?IDCFile=/spring/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=10319,DATABASE=objects,

 

Hi,

I cropped the attached part of a photograph which was recently posted up here of British Troops clearing Palmyra.

The soldier on the left is carrying a Thomson Sub Machine.

The Thompson is loaded with a Drum Magazine as recounted in my late Fathers account of the action at Palmyra.

Regards, Mick D