Stalag 4b: POW South African Rugby Team

Discussion in 'Prisoners of War' started by JJ van Rooyen, Feb 4, 2016.

  1. JJ van Rooyen

    JJ van Rooyen Member

    Hi Tony

    That is amazing information thank you for your input!

    The photograph is very special as my grandfather was a POW with Sgt Rall in Italy and Germany.
    My grandfather and great uncle were in the 1st SA Police Battalion in the 6th Infantry Brigade.
    After the war they stayed policemen until 1970.

    My entire family history is from Natal. (Vryheid, Nqutu, Babanango, Kranskop etc)

    Grandfather - JJ van Rooyen - 195635
    Great Uncle - CJ (Sam) Nel - 195637

    Regards

    JJ
     
  2. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Hi Tony, welcome to the forum. Your photo has clarified a few things regarding the names.

    From the way the signatures are written I think C A van der Westhuizen is "Olla" and A J Fabricius is "Breakfast"

    At the bottom of JJ's photo there are some initials which look like LGKL. However I now think they are G K T and stand for G K Timm who was also a POW however I don't have further details.

    So thanks for posting such interesting information
    Diane
     
  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Name: G K Timm
    Rank: Pte
    Army Number: 121614
    POW Number: 262837
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 4B
    Camp Location: Muhlberg (Elbe), Germany
    Section: South African Land Forces : Officers and Other Ranks

    TD
     
  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    There is also:

    Name: A T Timm
    Rank: L/Cpl.
    Army Number: 12333
    POW Number: 223605
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 4B
    Camp Location: Muhlberg (Elbe), Germany
    Section: South African Land Forces : Officers and Other Ranks


    Name: D W Timm
    Rank: Gunner
    Army Number: 89806
    POW Number: 76631
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 8B
    Camp Location: Teschen, Czech Republic
    Section: South African Land Forces : Officers and Other Ranks

    TD
     
  5. PatsyY

    PatsyY New Member

    Hello I have just found this page - we have the photograph hanging on our wall - my father in law was HB Youngleson the signature certainly looks like Youngleer! He is fourth from the right in the back row. Patsy
     
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  6. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Patsy,

    JJ has not been on the forum for just over a year now. Hopefully he will see your post in time.
     
  7. PatsyY

    PatsyY New Member

    Thanks - I’ve enjoyed reading more details re the other “names”
     
  8. Dean Henry

    Dean Henry New Member

    Hi my grandfather was C.F. Heydenreich. I believe he used to be an interpreter. He played rugby for the eastern province in sa.
     
  9. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Hi I have a book "The Observer Stalag 1VB by David Katzeff. Reproduction of Hand Printed Prisoner of War Wall Newspaper and it's story. which I managed to find on BidorBuy some time ago. C F Heydenreich is mentioned in the international match reports. The print is very small. I will try and scan a few pages and post them later.
     
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  10. Dean Henry

    Dean Henry New Member

    Great thanks ive been trying to get more info too.
     
  11. Dean Henry

    Dean Henry New Member

    Hi Diane i found some notes from the pow camp too im sending the photos. Just for interest.
     

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  12. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Hi, If you look at post #54 in this thread you will see two pages which I downloaded. The book is full of interesting items. If you are anywhere near Cape Town I would be happy to lend you the book.
    Diane
     
  13. Dean Henry

    Dean Henry New Member

    Hi yes i am in Brackenfell
     
  14. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Hi I am in Diep River. I have sent you a personal message
     
  15. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    Hi Dean, here is some more in formation thanks to members Tricky Dicky and Vitellino.
    From TD
    "UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: C F Heydenreich
    Rank: Sgt.
    Army Number: 12151
    POW Number: 224858
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 4B
    Camp Location: Muhlberg (Elbe), Germany
    Section: South African Land Forces : Officers and Other Ranks"

    From Vittellino
    "He was also a POW at Campo 85 which was at Tuturano in Puglia. He wouldn't have been there right up to Armistice on 8th Sept 1943 as all southern camps were emptied before Allied landings in Sicily in July 1943."

    I found this photo of Campo 85
    Diane

    Diane
     

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