Stabbed in the back Gurkha - a moving video report

Discussion in 'The Lounge Bar' started by PsyWar.Org, Sep 12, 2008.

  1. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Brian, thats not very respectful to the other members. I do realise this is an emotive issue but I would like to draw your attention to the fact that everyone else has not judged your opinion in such fashion and I would respectfully ask you do the same to everyone else here, even if you disagree with them
     
  2. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Some one said that not all of the families would want to come here. Are you joking. Is the person that made that quote Barking mad?
    They wanted 200 new recruits for the Gurkha's.... 23000 applied.

    In fact if you apply the rules appertaining to the Gurkhas? You have potentially opened the door to a hundred million that served with the UK in war time. That is what ther new rules of settlement are, according to the Minister in an answer in Parliament. For we are favourably treating one group. When there are others that served just as well.
    Sapper
     
  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    The main reason why Gurkha's used to received a smaller pension and less pay was because they used to get around 2 months leave once a year to allow them to go home to Nepal (I think the flight may have been paid for too) and the pension side of things was to do with the cost of living in Nepal. If they were paid the same as a British soldier it was thought the fragile economy in Nepal would be destroyed.

    Regards
    Andy
     
  4. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    If I upset anyone with a bit of old fashioned plain speaking; I am sorry..... Seems a bit silly to find men hurt by words... in a site devoted to war.

    I repaet, If you let one lot in then, the others have a proper claim, and one that could noit be resisted.

    I would also remind some of you here, that we as young men, fought for our land, To provide for our own people... And many of us paid a terrible price for our society and way of life..... And still do. We have a right to defend our land. Our way of life....Just as we did 65 years ago.
    sapper
     
  5. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    Sapper the tripartate agreement between India, Nepal and the UK, made after ww2 sorts out the problem of ww2 served Ghrukas and those before. They were never part of the British army as we perceive Ghurkas after that agreement date.
    And as such you need have no worry about any change in their or ww1 to ww2 Ghurka status vis a vis resettlement. Only those after the tripartate agreement.

    We are talking here only of Ghurkas who served the UK, not Singapore, India or any one else who as you rightly say has and does employ them...We are talking here of OUR own. Those after 97 have their rights now. The numbers are from the signing of the tripartate pact to 97 and the demise of the Hong Kong base and depot.

    Your number are likely to be swelled by family yes. Why not?

    A ghurka who served us in the Falkands deserves no less than a Ghurka who serves us in any present area...

    Certainly, look to the country as a whole in regard to immigration policy, but I would hazard that for every Somali allowed into the country, most would accept a refusal against a ghurka and his family.
    If the immigration policy is a mess then its been a mess for some time. Ghurkas should not suffer because of it.

    As for emotion surroinding it...thats why most of us exist on these forums, to listen, and gain from our countries history, and the allegiances and debts it owes to so many. From many years tot he present day.

    So I for one will keep the emotional side of things where they belong, and that is rememberance and debt owed.
     
  6. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    If I upset anyone with a bit of old fashioned plain speaking; I am sorry..... Seems a bit silly to find men hurt by words... in a site devoted to war.

    I repaet, If you let one lot in then, the others have a proper claim, and one that could noit be resisted.

    I would also remind some of you here, that we as young men, fought for our land, To provide for our own people... And many of us paid a terrible price for our society and way of life..... And still do. We have a right to defend our land. Our way of life....Just as we did 65 years ago.
    sapper

    Certainly not hurting me mate....Youve earned the right to shout anything you like out from the rooftops. So have many others.
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

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    They were alright in my book and he bought me a can of pop. :D

    Point to note these chaps were from 2 Sigs in York and did they graft when the York was flooded helping the civilians in a time of need.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  8. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Brian, no need to apologise. Just treat others with a bit of respect thats all............ :D. Its better for all and it doesnt mean that you have to change your opinion. Now away with you and on with the discussion!
     
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  9. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Sapper, this was disussed at length over on ww2 forum, and mostly it was agreed that the Gurkhas, should be allowed in and that if the Somalians, and such who have no right here were kept out or kicked out it would not be half the problem it seems.As for you having fought for this countries freedom I never doubted it for a minute but please remember, I and many others on this site do not post in ignorance my Dad fought in Burma, as did his brother and my other uncle at Casssino we, I for sure will never forget the debt we owe because of those who made sure we are here today.Jason
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  11. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Can I just say that this story is proof in itself that if you believe in something so passionately in the UK and going about it the correct way it can be achieved.

    Well done to them!

    Andy
     
  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

  14. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    BBC News - Lumley rejects criticism from minister over Gurkha help

    What a To***r Mr Jones is !

    Veteran Minister? I wonder what Armed Force he served in to make him such an expert?

    His only claim to fame as a MP from the MOD's website...
    'succeeded in getting his own Private Member’s Bill on to the statute book, to prevent big stores from opening on Christmas Day.'

    Whooppeeee dooo, well worth his salary I'd say.
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    BBC News - Was Lumley campaign good for Gurkhas?

    A couple of extracts from news report.

    Two years ago actress Joanna Lumley helped Gurkhas who retired before 1997 win the right to settle in the UK. Gurkha welfare groups and the Home office estimate that about 8,000 former soldiers and their families have since moved to Britain. But many have struggled in the UK, as the BBC's Alastair Lawson reports.


    But the BGWS argues that it would be far more cost-effective if retired Gurkhas were paid better pensions and encouraged to stay in Nepal rather than pursue the more expensive option of emigrating to the UK to take advantage of state pensions, housing benefit and free health care.
    The organisation says that from the outset its campaign has been different from that waged by Ms Lumley and her supporters - it argued that fair pensions and the right of former Gurkhas to retire in the UK were equally important, whereas the emphasis of her campaign was on resettlement rights.
     
  16. Bernard85

    Bernard85 WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    psywar.org,12,september,2008,02:35am.re:stabbed in the back gurkha. I have read some of this thread and note the different opinions about the rights of the gurkha,sapper has a strong and valid opinion on the subject,but some individuals can apply to enter the u.k.like any other immigrant.having fought for the u.k. would be a help to gain legitimate entry,but to expect to bring a mass population is asking to much.to assist them financially in there own country.would assist all gurkhas for services rendered.what was the outcome for these x servismen.hope it works out well,bernard85
     
  17. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Gurkha veterans on hunger strike outside Downing Street
    On Saturday morning, Gyanraj Rai ate his breakfast, headed to Downing Street, and began a protest about his pension. He hasn't eaten since.

    "Better to die than be a coward" is a motto of the Nepalese Gurkha soldiers, who have been an integral part of the British Army for more than 200 years.

    And 63-year-old Mr Rai says he is prepared die - to starve to death - if the government does not agree to make his pension equal to the British soldiers he fought alongside for 20 years...
     
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