SS reenactment

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  1. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

    Twenty-one years since the introduction of 'Care in the Community' , it would seem that we're still dealing with the consequences.

    I was not going to post about this comment, as you can see from my “opens popcorn" post I don't really go in for threads like this but the above quoted comment is about the most ignorant post I have seen on the internet for a long time.
     
  2. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    Ron, glad you have finally got what you wanted to know.
     
  3. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Ron, glad you have finally got what you wanted to know.


    To clarify;

    HOAWTD recently sent me a PM, the details of which I can obviously not discuss here, but I believe I will not be breaching any confidences when I say that apologies were made by him for any offence caused and a change of direction (on his part) was indicated.

    Ron
     
  4. Combover

    Combover Guest

    To clarify;

    HOAWTD recently sent me a PM, the details of which I can obviously not discuss here, but I believe I will not be breaching any confidences when I say that apologies were made by him for any offence caused and a change of direction (on his part) was indicated.

    Ron

    Sorted out like true gentlemen by the sounds of it.
     
  5. Combover

    Combover Guest

    I think I need to jump in here and say a few words.
    I'm a re-enactor in the sense that I choose to re-enact soldiers of British and Commonwealth (and Polish) armies that fought against Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. I do the research and wouldn't dream of donning any of the kit had I not researched it beforehand.

    Axis re-enactors get a bad name and SS re-enactors the worst. It's not a world I dabble in as I would despise myslef if I even put a single Jackbboot on, but I am glad there are some (straight) people who do it.

    The ones who just want to be Hitler worry me though. A lot.

    Fruitcake and I recently met a German FJ group (based on the Italian campaign) and they were very good indeed and fully understood what they were doing by wearing the kit. They had a good knowledge of the kit equipment and even the maps that were used but knew what they were used for and the disgusting way in which they were used. They're the kind of re-enactors we get along with.
     
  6. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek MOD

    We all live and learn.....
     
  7. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    Look what the dog brought in :biggrin:


    LOL. I'm on a technical ban from the other forum. System won't let me in so y'all will have to put up with me now.
     
  8. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    It's true that the Waffen-SS of 1941 and the one of late 1944 wasn't the same at all. And it's true that many of its members were in fact conscripts (or as Heinrich called them: forced volunteers). What you seem to forget is that the whole lot was deeply involved in crimes, no matter what branch (or nationality). And even though Waffen-SS was indeed falsely blamed in some cases, it doesn't fundamentally change its character, which was, I dare say, criminal - after all it was always a part of the SS, and esp the officer corps was holding NS ideology quite dear.

    The whole lot..........hmmm. I think not.
     
  9. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    LOL. I'm on a technical ban from the other forum. System won't let me in so y'all will have to put up with me now.

    What kind of problem are you having, Ike and how long has it being goingo on?

    Oops....PM me.
     
  10. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I was not going to post about this comment, as you can see from my “opens popcorn" post I don't really go in for threads like this but the above quoted comment is about the most ignorant post I have seen on the internet for a long time.

    Yeah, I erm, wasn't going to post it but the voices in my head made me do it :rolleyes:
     
  11. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    To clarify;

    HOAWTD recently sent me a PM, the details of which I can obviously not discuss here, but I believe I will not be breaching any confidences when I say that apologies were made by him for any offence caused and a change of direction (on his part) was indicated.

    Ron

    There can't be a better endorsement than this, but as that is the case perhaps a clarification by the interested party would be in order.
     
  12. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    Urm, if you mean me then yeah, i confirm i sent him a message. Von poop said i hadn't really answered him and i tried my best to give him an insite to what i'm getting at.
     
  13. wowtank

    wowtank Very Senior Member

    Yeah, I erm, wasn't going to post it but the voices in my head made me do it :rolleyes:

    The question that I think that needs to answered in a Cognitive why, fully drawing on the philosophy influence of Psychology is.... Woops two out of ten you nearly got me to bite:p
     
  14. At Home Dad (Returning)

    At Home Dad (Returning) Well-Known Member

    I've said it before and I'll say it again...

    There's a need for skinny shaven headed striped pyjama Death Camp re-enactors
    to silently walk up and stare intently at SS re-enactors and their displays for hours...
     
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  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Not true

    Fact:

    During 1940 SS Regiments were deployed within German Herr Divisions and fought alongside the Wehrmact and more often than not had to be helped by the Wehrmacht.

    Elite Troops?

    The LSSAH took on a battalion of TA (They are part timers) soldiers at Wormhout in May 1940 and were given a bloody nose by them. The only reason they took the town of Wormhout after a days fighting was because they got some help from the Div's Panzers.

    So pissed off were the SS the 100 or so British men they managed to capture were herded into a barn and executed.

    My theory on all this elite forces rubbish is, if you talk about something enough you will eventually believe it. I don't have an interest outside of 1940 but there was no elite SS units then-Infact quite the opposite they really were rather shit !

    Cheers

    I stand corrected

    A fellow 1940 colleague of mine pointed out that they were full time soldiers at the time. So not to take anything away from the regiment I have just checked the units war diary and they arrived in France, Cherbourg to be precise, on the 24th Sept 1939 at 9am so they were full time soldiers for around 8 months when they fought to the last round at Wornhout with the Cheshires and Royal Artillery.

    Cheers for the rep Rich ;)
     
  16. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    I've said it before and I'll say it again...

    There's a need for skinny shaven headed striped pyjama Death Camp re-enactors
    to silently walk up and stare intently at SS re-enactors and their displays for hours...

    That is like having blacks dress up as slaves and stare at Confederate re-enactors at civil war events. D-Day re-enactments need both sides and as has been stated, majority of the German re-enactors conduct themselves professionally with their focus on history and not glorifying Facism. It is attitudes like this that keep discrimination alive. Those re-enactors are reminding us what happened, how it happened and why it happened. Take that away and we will not remember nor honor the victims of the war.
     
  17. Heimbrent

    Heimbrent Well-Known Member

    The whole lot..........hmmm. I think not.

    Sorry, that was a misunderstanding - by "whole lot" I certainly didn't mean each and every member of the German army, I meant all its branches, i.e. Wehrmacht as well, not just SS.
     
  18. At Home Dad (Returning)

    At Home Dad (Returning) Well-Known Member

    I dont see the parallel myself.

    It was my understanding that some suggestions are out there of
    over 3,000 blacks willingly serving with the South army and fighting for them. The south didn't seek genocide, they merely wished to retain their agricultural economy in the face of the industrial revolution. Also, yours was a local civil, not world, war.

    Furthermore, "those [SS] re-enactors are reminding us what happened, how it happened and why it happened" is not true. They are simply reminding us (as if we could forget!) of what they wore, what they fired and by implication underlines the deeper political view of their actions.
    I dont think much can be learned by dressing up as a nazi.

    And to tell me that "it is attitudes like this that keep discrimination alive" is baloney, especially when there are more than several places in your country where - even to this day - I cannot walk down the street hand in hand with my black wife of 20 years without fear of openly racist comments!

    Lastly, I wasn't aware (but am prepared to be corrected) that there were any SS units fighting at the D-Day landings, so gawd knows what it is that's being re-enacted in your example...


    all the best


    That is like having blacks dress up as slaves and stare at Confederate re-enactors at civil war events. D-Day re-enactments need both sides and as has been stated, majority of the German re-enactors conduct themselves professionally with their focus on history and not glorifying Facism. It is attitudes like this that keep discrimination alive. Those re-enactors are reminding us what happened, how it happened and why it happened. Take that away and we will not remember nor honor the victims of the war.
     
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  19. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Obeying an order that I know to be an illegal order is no defence. There is something unsavoury about attempts to sanitize belligerent forces.
     
  20. pzjgr

    pzjgr Member

    I dont see the parallel myself.

    It was my understanding that some suggestions are out there of
    over 3,000 blacks willingly serving with the South army and fighting for them. The south didn't seek genocide, they merely wished to retain their agricultural economy in the face of the industrial revolution. Also, yours was a local civil, not world, war.

    Furthermore, "those [SS] re-enactors are reminding us what happened, how it happened and why it happened" is not true. They are simply reminding us (as if we could forget!) of what they wore, what they fired and by implication underlines the deeper political view of their actions.
    I dont think much can be learned by dressing up as a nazi.

    And to tell me that "it is attitudes like this that keep discrimination alive" is baloney, especially when there are more than several places in your country where - even to this day - I cannot walk down the street hand in hand with my black wife of 20 years without fear of openly racist comments!

    Lastly, I wasn't aware (but am prepared to be corrected) that there were any SS units fighting at the D-Day landings, so gawd knows what it is that's being re-enacted in your example...


    all the best

    The fighting around Caen which was to have been taken in 3-4 days was part of the D-Day planning therefore Waffen SS units were involved. Personally I do not see anything wrong with the representation of the Waffen SS at re-enactment events so at this point we agree to disagree. As for the analogy......well we all don't see the same either.

    BTW, I did mention discrimination, not racism. Racism exists in every country, not just the US. Your 'fear' of 'openly racist comments' is not the same as actual racist comments being made. Again, that can be found in every country.

    Back to topic at hand, if you attend any re-enactments I venture to say that you will find all of the participants are there to portray historical events....not to glorify the politics of one side or the other.
     

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