SS reenactment

Discussion in 'General' started by Hellofawaytodie, Jul 4, 2011.

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  1. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    I realise there is alot of evil and hate connected to the uniform, but in the same way there's too much to lose by ignoring it. All i want to do is teach people what the SS is. The rules, uniform, difference from Wehrmacht etc. I'm not 100% sure i will join, if i do it will involve alot of planning. No matter how hard it is, if history is to survive then all aspects must be passed on. If i can get one person to walk away with a better understanding then job done. If a jewish couple come over, i will happily talk to them about whatever they may ask. I am not trying to glorify the SS, but i WILL try to enjoy my time at events as anyone would. Perhaps you're right Jakob. It is a very difficult thing to do SS reenactment. Do you have any suggestions?
     
  2. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    You believe you can teach people what the SS is? Most would say was, perhaps this alone says much. There are several soldiers on here that gave a big part of their lives in the fight against evil - and you are going to 'teach' them? Infantile nonsense.
     
  3. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    Well what's there to say man?
    Yeah, you guys probably know alot already, but the average joe might not. They come down to an event to see battles and check out tanks and jeeps and the such, say a bigass panzer is looming over a small tent filled with SS troops. If they seem friendly why not talk to them? Even if they are the sworn enemy of Justice ?
    A little joke, bit of banter and a ride in the tank. Everyones happy. People wont actively go up to people and attack them and accusing them of being nazis. Anyone dumb enough to start a fight with a Tank deserves to die, it's not murder it's more like natural selection.
    But i digress...
     
  4. Jakob Kjaersgaard

    Jakob Kjaersgaard Senior Member

    However genuine your intentions might be, it's the wrong way of portraying this especially sensitive subject from my point of view. You mention the killers should be remembered instead of the victims. I completely agree that the holocaust and the SS should never be forgotten, but there is a fine line between passing on the message of the horrors of the holocaust, than to dressing up like a SS hauptsturmf├╝hrer. By remembering the victims instead, the SS will ALWAYS be remembered for the crimes they committed. Furthermore I sincerelly doubt any jewish people would want to "come over" and talk about the fine cap and boots you're wearing. That is infact the message you're sending when you dress up like that, and what the people who made the sacrifices during the war and relatives of people who were victims of the holocaust think when they see someone dressed up like that.
     
  5. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    I'm gonna wrap this up cause i'm fighting a losing battle here, and unlike Hitler i intend to stop before it gets worse.
    As far as parading around in Officers uniform, i do'nt even want to have a rank. If i do, i will portray the average Soldier that just fights and follows orders, slightly less evil i suppose than the Sturm-reich-hitlerfuhrer ranks they have. Also, although i understand what you mean and it is difficult to persuade people otherwise, would you still award the bravery of those who do dress up?
    On that bombshell, i leave you with a final question. Yes, the SS did evil things. So did the Wehmacht. Yet, Wehrmacht troops are re-enacted. If they were persecuted for war crimes, there would be no Germans. Then there would be no enemy to reenact against. Then peopel will argue and complain that their boys of america and england can't accuretly represent their battle stratagies. Imagine that scenario. It may not be pretty, good or ethical but somone has got to be the bad guy.
     
  6. kingarthur

    kingarthur Well-Known Member

    The logic in this thread seems way to fuzzy for my average brain to cope with.
     
  7. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    Yeah, we kinda just ended it. You can express your views about SS reenactment or just let the thread die. Up to you
     
  8. KevinC

    KevinC Slightly wierd

    After reading this lot all I can add is this ..........
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  9. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    Very amusing :)
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  10. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    I was going to post something on this thread , key word being "was".
     
  11. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek MOD

    I was going to post something on this thread , key word being "was".

    I also thought about it but I can see where it's heading.......
     
  12. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    All i want to do is teach people what the SS is.

    Still on the Babi Yar theme... If this is what you want to show, please go ahead, but is this what you are going to reenact?
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  13. Gage

    Gage The Battle of Barking Creek MOD

    Still on the Babi Yar theme... If this is what you want to show, please go ahead, but is this what you are going to reenact?
    [​IMG]

    I lied.
    Real heroes weren't they?
    Caused nothing but misery and death to innocents. Make me sick to the pit of my stomach. Scum.
     
  14. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    The logic in this thread seems way to fuzzy for my average brain to cope with.

    I don't think logic has been a big part of this thread. More like;

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  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Hellofawaytodie



    Stop and think before you post

    Look at what you are going to post

    Listen to others on this forum


    For the average "Joe" ,they pretty much know about the atrocities of World War 2 and do not require a show and tell.

    History will not be forgotten.This forum is a great example of that.
     
  16. Hellofawaytodie

    Hellofawaytodie No-Combat Experience

    I'm not saying anything!
    I just suggested something, and people took it into something else. I said i might join, and i gave my reasons for doing so. If the majority would rather i didn't then i wont.
     
  17. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    I go with Canuck on this rant -why are we getting so many idiots on the forum - this one is not alone ..
    Cheers
     
  18. Swiper

    Swiper Resident Sospan

    I'm not a fan of SS re-enacting.

    I was talking to some (I'll let the group remain nameless) at a show, who informed you there were no warcrimes, that the SS was far superior to their opponents on all levels, and that regardless how you square it the SS were the ideolised Teutonic Knights of old...

    Total fantasy, must have been reading to much Reynolds!

    The SS did terrible things, especially what they would do to the British dead in NWE to kill stretcher bearers and medical personnel.

    Should they be engaged with and portrayed, yes.

    I heard a story recently about an SS re-enactor, not sure if its true but it made me smile in a darkly ironic way.

    Chap joined an SS group, went to the shows, dressed up, battled, was shot in battles. The works.

    Some of the group went to France on a battlefield tour, and whilst there they stopped at Oradour-sur-Glane. He realised that they were portraying some of the most reprehensible soldiers in history and left the group shortly afterwards.

    Teutonic warriors? Possibly. The subject of several years of indoctrination, propaganda, brutality and a blatant disregard for conduct. Certainly.
     
  19. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Gladly.
    There are many reasons really. The SS were considered elite fighting teams for Hitlers personal use, although they were armed they were kept seperate from the Wehrmacht at all times.

    Not true

    Fact:

    During 1940 SS Regiments were deployed within German Herr Divisions and fought alongside the Wehrmact and more often than not had to be helped by the Wehrmacht.

    Elite Troops?

    The LSSAH took on a battalion of TA (They are part timers) soldiers at Wormhout in May 1940 and were given a bloody nose by them. The only reason they took the town of Wormhout after a days fighting was because they got some help from the Div's Panzers.

    So pissed off were the SS the 100 or so British men they managed to capture were herded into a barn and executed.

    My theory on all this elite forces rubbish is, if you talk about something enough you will eventually believe it. I don't have an interest outside of 1940 but there was no elite SS units then-Infact quite the opposite they really were rather shit !

    Cheers
     
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  20. Lofty1

    Lofty1 Senior Member

    Hellofawaytodie, do remember not to come to Colchester dressed up as SS, the last chap to do that was given a good hiding and put in hospital (its a garrison town), he never got to the fancy dress party, I would hate to see that happen to anyone else, especially you,
    best regards lofty
     

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