Soviet AFV quiz

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  1. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Could also be a T-100. The T-100 and the SMK (Sergius Mironovitch Kirov) were almost identical in appearance. The first use by the Soviets of the torsion bar suspension, this allowed more space inside the hull than the Christie type and therefore paved the way for a larger turret diameter and larger guns.


    No, it's SMK.

    T-100 was this one:
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    SMK:
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    Interesting to note that the Soviets used abbreviations of famous people to name their heavy tanks. The aformentioned SMK, the KV series named after Klimenti Voroshilov, the Soviet People's Commissar for defence. And the IS series, of course named after uncle Joe, or should that be Ioe.

    "IS" was really named after Josef Stalin.
    That's why it's called on the west "JS"
    direct transliteration of its name gives "IS"

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  2. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

     
  3. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Thanks Alex,
    I have 2 admittedly grainly oblique photographs in a book 'Russian Tanks 1900 - 1970' by John Milsom. That has those two tanks with the captions reversed.


    Western books about Soviet amror usually contains tons of mistakes...
    So, I would recommend you to be VERY careful with them...

    In my reference the T-100 has the dished wheels and the SMK has the recessed ones. Which probably proves my point as to just how similar they were. They also both have the shorter 76.2mm main gun.


    You can see differnece in wheels yourself... :D
    Yes, guns were similar

    There was, however 9 tons difference in weight. I have T-100 at 56 tons and SMK at 45 tons.

    SMK - 55 tons
    T-100 - 58 tons

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  4. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Western books about Soviet amror usually contains tons of mistakes...
    So, I would recommend you to be VERY careful with them...


    Thanks again, I love that book even with it's innaccuracies. It was published in 1970 and has a real cold war feel to it. I like to think that some of the grainly black and white, sometimes clandestine photographs were smuggled out as a microdot stuck behind a postage stamp.

    I am still waiting for a really informed modern Soviet AFV bible.
    cheers,
    Bod
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I am still waiting for a really informed modern Soviet AFV bible.
    That Fowler and Bean 'Stalin's Armoured might' book's not bad but I know what you mean, there's no Jentz/Doyle/Chamberlain/Ellis style encyclopedia that I've yet met.
     
  6. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    I have 2 admittedly grainly oblique photographs in a book 'Russian Tanks 1900 - 1970' by John Milsom.
    My first book on Soviet tanks :) Still on my shelf, errors and all!
     
  7. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Thanks again, I love that book even with it's innaccuracies. It was published in 1970 and has a real cold war feel to it. I like to think that some of the grainly black and white, sometimes clandestine photographs were smuggled out as a microdot stuck behind a postage stamp.

    I am still waiting for a really informed modern Soviet AFV bible.
    cheers,
    Bod

    Yes, books pulbished on the west in 1970s are very inaccurate :icon_sleepy:

    Soviet AFV biblie was already published here in two volumes and called
    "Otechestvennye Bronirovannye Mashiny XX veku"
    (Domestic AFVs of the XX century)...
    It's one of the main books I use for reference...:cool:
    Unfortunately (for you) it exists only in Russian edition....:blush:

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    "Otechestvennye Bronirovannye Mashiny XX veku"
    (Domestic AFVs of the XX century)...
    Alex, any chance you could post that in cyrillics for me, or provide a link showing the cover or somewhere selling it? (having no luck searching with the anglicised spelling)
    Got a bit of a tank-book fetish (sure you know that feeling) and just wanted to have a look at them on the web, not averse to text I can't understand if the pictures are good and it would help me keep an eye out in case an English edition ever emerged.
    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  9. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Yes, books pulbished on the west in 1970s are very inaccurate :icon_sleepy:

    Soviet AFV biblie was already published here in two volumes and called
    "Otechestvennye Bronirovannye Mashiny XX veku"
    (Domestic AFVs of the XX century)...
    It's one of the main books I use for reference...:cool:
    Unfortunately (for you) it exists only in Russian edition....:blush:

    Regards,
    Alex

    I have a more modern book on Soviet armour published in the Ukraine in 2002. It is in both Russian and English and covers the history and output of the Kharkiv Morozov Machine Building Design Bureau (KMDB). The title looks far more impressive in cyrillics. Good photographs and excellent line drawings of lots of stuff starting with the T-12 right up to the T-72 120. It also covers armoured cars and prime movers.
    Useful and interesting.

    Bod
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Alex, any chance you could post that in cyrillics for me, or provide a link showing the cover or somewhere selling it? (having no luck searching with the anglicised spelling)
    Got a bit of a tank-book fetish (sure you know that feeling) and just wanted to have a look at them on the web, not averse to text I can't understand if the pictures are good and it would help me keep an eye out in case an English edition ever emerged.
    Cheers,
    Adam.
    see Alex's site.
    Armored fighting vehicles (Soviet and lend-lease) and scroll down

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  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Nice one, still can't find a potential seller though. I need a Russian Amazon... in English.


    Russian Amazon?:
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  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  14. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Well done, was having no luck, Seems to be in 4 volumes?, $30 a book is almost tempting.
     
  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Вы - наркоман резервуара


    Вы тратите все ваши деньги на книгах резервуара
     
  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Вы - наркоман резервуара


    Вы тратите все ваши деньги на книгах резервуара
    Yes, my obsession with reservoirs can get a little over the top.
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Adam,

    great book review here.

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    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Бронебуран

    </TD></TR><TR><TD class=newstext><TABLE height=1 width=1 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>[​IMG]</TD></TR><TR><TD>Солянкин А., Павлов М., Павлов И.
    Отечественные бронированные машины. ХХ век: Научное издание: В 4 т.: Т. 2.
    М.: Экспринт, 2005. – 448 с. 2000 экз. (п) ISBN 5-94038-074-3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Первый том этой энциклопедии вышел три года назад, второй любители истории военной техники ждали долго, и вот, наконец, дождались. Перед нами очень подробный рассказ о советских танках, броневиках и самоходных установках Великой Отечественной войны. Все описано очень подробно и дотошно. Как влияет расположение трансмиссии на габариты танка. Едва ли не все основные детали танков сфотографированы, зарисованы и оценены. Малые танки, легкие танки, средние танки, тяжелые танки. Легкие САУ, средние САУ, тяжелые САУ, зенитные самоходки. Наконец, огнеметные и химические танки, танки, оснащенные оборудованием для хождения по дну рек, инженерные и прочие вспомогательные машины. Бронетранспортеров советская промышленность тогда серийно не выпускала, поэтому в книге рассказано про английские и американские машины, которые использовала РККА в годы войны. История танков показана схемой, этаким генеалогическим древом. Как танк Т-34-76 превратился в танк Т-34-85, потом в Т-44, а потом Т-44 превратился в Т-54.

    Плюс, конечно же, разнообразные танки и броневики, которые в серию не пошли. Например, в 1942 году на Горьковском автозаводе была построена зимняя версия легкого броневика БА-64, только вместо задней пары колес ему поставили гусеницы, а вместо передней – лыжи. Схема такая же, как и у снегохода «Буран». Но в итоге эти бронесани забраковали, потому что они слишком глубоко погружались в снег, да и горючее расходовали больше, чем обычный броневик. А уж какие эксперименты проводились по защите танков от кумулятивных гранат! Один из конструкторов так радикально экранировал танк Т-34, что он стал больше похож на нелепые танки-сундуки Первой мировой войны. В итоге ноу-хау забраковали – не из-за внешнего вида, а из-за того, что вес машины увеличился на треть.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
     
  18. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Alex, any chance you could post that in cyrillics for me, or provide a link showing the cover or somewhere selling it? (having no luck searching with the anglicised spelling)
    Got a bit of a tank-book fetish (sure you know that feeling) and just wanted to have a look at them on the web, not averse to text I can't understand if the pictures are good and it would help me keep an eye out in case an English edition ever emerged.
    Cheers,
    Adam.

    Hi, Adam

    Yes, it's just that book(s) mentioned by other folks...

    I have one extra copy of the 1st volume... the 2nd volume has gone from sale looooong ago...
    I have both volumes also in scanned form :)

    I can say it's really comprehansive encyclopedia. Tremendous amount of work! Almost all AFVs ever built by the USSR can be found!
    Even if some folks critisized those books a bit it remains fundamental work!
    I enjoy it very much...

    He-he... If you enjoy colored images, last time Tankomaster published two very colorful issues filled with images like this one
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    Larger image:
    http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/galleries/T-26/3/img/T_26M39_pic3cut.jpg

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  19. AMVAS

    AMVAS Senior Member

    Well done, was having no luck, Seems to be in 4 volumes?, $30 a book is almost tempting.

    Yes, it had to be in 4 volumes, but only two was published and probably the last two won't be published... At least I have such info from the authors...

    $30 price is here (not everywhere though)... Add to it shipping cost (depending on the way it can be ~$20-30)
    One volume weights 1.3kg, which for our post-office is equal to 2 kg...

    Regards,
    Alex
     
  20. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    What on earth is this? (Alex, you're probably not allowed to play this one ;))
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