South Hallsville School bombing 10/9/40 Canning Town East London

Second World War Bombing Raid South Hallsville School







Remembering Black Saturday

 

A list of casualties (possibly not complete)
LEE, ELLEN Civilian 10/09/1940 55 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
SMITH, EMILY Civilian 10/09/1940 35 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GERRARD, BRENDA KATHLEEN Civilian 10/09/1940 7 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
JEWELL, HENRY JOHN Civilian 10/09/1940 31 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
PYE, IRENE MARGARET Civilian 10/09/1940 22 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
BILLING, PATRICIA Civilian 10/09/1940 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
CHANDLER, EDNA MAY Civilian 10/09/1940 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
CHANDLER, EVA MAY Civilian 10/09/1940 26 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
CHANDLER, HAZEL Civilian 10/09/1940 4 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
CHANDLER, JAMES ALEXANDER Civilian 10/09/1940 28 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
COTTER, THOMAS DANIEL Civilian 10/09/1940 35 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
CROFT, MARY ANN Civilian 10/09/1940 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
DOWNS, ANNE Civilian 10/09/1940 34 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
DOWNS, DEREK Civilian 10/09/1940 4 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
DOWNS, IRIS Civilian 10/09/1940 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
DRIVER, FREDERICK WILLIAM Civilian 10/09/1940 52 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
DRIVER, MARIE Civilian 10/09/1940 48 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
DUNSDON, JAMES HENRY Civilian 10/09/1940 48 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
EVANS, ADA Civilian 10/09/1940 18 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
EVANS, LOUISA ALICE Civilian 10/09/1940 54 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
EVANS, WALTER Civilian 10/09/1940 56 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLITZ, AUBREY Civilian 10/09/1940 4 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLITZ, EDWARD VICTOR Civilian 10/09/1940 44 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLITZ, HARRIET Civilian 10/09/1940 43 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLITZ, HARRIET Civilian 10/09/1940 16 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLITZ, JEAN MARY Civilian 10/09/1940 9 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLITZ, MAURICE Civilian 10/09/1940 11 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLOVER, ALBERT RICHARD Civilian 10/09/1940 43 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLOVER, ALFRED RICHARD Civilian 10/09/1940 18 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLOVER, GRACE Civilian 10/09/1940 9 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLOVER, JOSEPH Civilian 10/09/1940 12 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLOVER, JOSEPH JOHN WEBSTER Civilian 10/09/1940 45 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GLOVER, MARY Civilian 10/09/1940 41 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GUNN, ALBERT EDWARD Civilian 10/09/1940 31 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GUNN, ALICE Civilian 10/09/1940 5 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GUNN, ANNIE Civilian 10/09/1940 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GUNN, JANE EMMA Civilian 10/09/1940 59 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GUNN, JOYCE Civilian 10/09/1940 10 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GUNN, MATILDA Civilian 10/09/1940 30 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
GUNN, STEPHEN Civilian 10/09/1940 3 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
HOMER, BENJAMIN Civilian 10/09/1940 32 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
JEWELL, HENRY Civilian 10/09/1940 60 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
JEWELL, RHODA LOUISA Civilian 10/09/1940 56 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
JEWELL, RHODA MARY Civilian 10/09/1940 28 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
JORDAN, THIRZA Civilian 10/09/1940 65 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
LEE, GERTY Civilian 10/09/1940 25 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
LEE, IVY ELLEN Civilian 10/09/1940 27 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
LEE, PRUDENCE Civilian 10/09/1940 43 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
LEE, ROSE MARGARET Civilian 10/09/1940 23 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
LEE, SYLVESTER Civilian 10/09/1940 57 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
LORD, WALTER FREDERICK JAMES Civilian 10/09/1940 17 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
MASKELL, ALBERT ARTHUR Civilian 10/09/1940 47 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
MASKELL, BETTY IRENE Civilian 10/09/1940 11 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
MASKELL, MARGARET ELIZABETH Civilian 10/09/1940 46 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
MEADOWS, THOMAS Civilian 10/09/1940 75 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
MURPHY, EMMA ROSE Civilian 10/09/1940 30 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
MURPHY, THOMAS MICHAEL Civilian 10/09/1940 30 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWELL, ELLEN Civilian 10/09/1940 67 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWMAN-DEATH, ANNIE LOUISA Civilian 10/09/1940 24 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWMAN-DEATH, DANIEL Civilian 10/09/1940 6 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWMAN-DEATH, DANIEL Civilian 10/09/1940 6 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWMAN-DEATH, EDWARD Civilian 10/09/1940 8 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWMAN-DEATH, ELIZABETH Civilian 10/09/1940 50 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWMAN-DEATH, ELLEN HARRIET Civilian 10/09/1940 21 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
NEWMAN-DEATH, GEORGE Civilian 10/09/1940 52 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
PRENTICE, CAROLINE Civilian 10/09/1940 21 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
PUDNEY, ANNIE Civilian 10/09/1940 19 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
PUDNEY, CHARLOTTE Civilian 10/09/1940 19 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
PUDNEY, LYDIA MATILDA Civilian 10/09/1940 41 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
PUDNEY, THOMAS Civilian 10/09/1940 46 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
QUIRKE, ALFRED Civilian 10/09/1940 48 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
QUIRKE, CHARLOTTE Civilian 10/09/1940 85 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
QUIRKE, EDWARD Civilian 10/09/1940 17 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
QUIRKE, ELIZABETH Civilian 10/09/1940 40 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
QUIRKE, THOMAS Civilian 10/09/1940 2 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
REYNOLDS, WILLIAM JOHN Civilian 10/09/1940 7 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
RILEY, ALBERT ERNEST WILLIAM Civilian 10/09/1940 19 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
SMITH, MARIGOLD Civilian 10/09/1940 3 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
SMITH, ROSE MARY Civilian 10/09/1940 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
STAFFORD, OLLEY Civilian 10/09/1940 60 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
STANNARD, IRENE Civilian 10/09/1940 9 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
STANNARD, LOUISA Civilian 10/09/1940 32 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
TAYLOR, ROBERT JAMES Civilian 10/09/1940 33 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
WITHERS, LILY Civilian 10/09/1940 60 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
ALLEN, ANNIE Civilian 10/09/1940 35 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
ALLEN, CHARLES WILLIAM Civilian 10/09/1940 35 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
ALLEN, SYLVIA Civilian 10/09/1940 10 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
BARBER, EILEEN IVY Civilian 10/09/1940 32 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH
BARBER, VALERIE KATHLEEN Civilian 10/09/1940 2 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom WEST HAM, COUNTY BOROUGH

 

Never forget these times....a prelude to what had occurred on the continent which had also suffered from the effects of "the bomber will always get through"

 

I have never been comfortable with the tabloid figure of 600 deaths for this tragic event - and even the 'official figure', banded around, of 75 (or 77 depending on which account is used) is often disputed. The so-called evidence, recently uncovered at the N/A (according to recent press), is very sketchy.

It is also rare for me to ever question Clive's research/data - but the above list, in my mind, is questionable. Look at Walter Lord for example, who died at Customs House (and not at the school?). Search the CWGC, using Hallsville School, and you will find 75 casualties. But search on Agate Street and you will find another one or two casualties, such as Frederick Driver (mentioned by Clive, above).

The other issue is that more than one bomb fell in Hallsville Road - number 25 took a direct hit and casualties are recorded there. Some have taken these casualties and added them to the school total. I think they should be kept separate....

Look at the GRO register for deaths and you will soon find more disparities - only one recorded death certificate for the Newman-Death family, for example.

I can certainly add one more death, as certain (and not recorded on the CWGC register), for Hallsville School - 2 year old Olly J Glitz (aka Olive Glitz and aka Olley Glitz). I will look for further deaths which can/may be attributed to this incident.

 

Please add 84 year old Frederick Palmer of 9 Cranleigh Road. Suffering from shock, he was taken to Whipps Cross Hospital (along with a large number of wounded from Hallsville School). He was transferred to Staines Hospital and died a few weeks later. He is NOT on the CWGC. Possibly his medical complications were not attributed to enemy action....?

 

Most of the Newman-Death family were never recovered from the site and classified as Presumed Dead. Death certificates were mostly issued as [Forename] N Death. Search 'Death' using FreeBMD.

 

Am I the only one to be chilled at the thought of the new school being built on the same site?

My mother's family who lived there, always said that many who wanted to disappear used this dreadful tragedy as the means to do so.

 

My wife has recently inherited the diary of a relative. This has not seen the light of day for many years until last year. He was an Air Raid Warden on duty throughout that night in Canning town near to the school. He was aware of the numbers of people sheltering in the school that night. He states "The school was sheltering just over three hundred people, who had lost their homes in the previous raids". He later states, "A fleet of buses had been detailed to collect these people and take them to a safety area. The buses should have arrived one Tuesday, but never showed up. It was on Tuesday night that the school was hit and three hundred people were killed by the land mine", and later " What happened was, that the fleet of buses, that should have arrived had gone, in mistake to Camden Town, instead of Canning Town and so had decided to leave it until the next day, with the result I have mentioned". Joe Wetherall and I were two of the wardens on duty at that time and were helping to put a cordon round teh school, we had just finished, on this early Wednesday morning, when the fleet of buses came into view, making for the school, but it was too late.........". Written by someone in official capacity who was there at the time.

 

I've also never been convinced with the claims of hundreds being killed in this incident, and it being "covered up" to the degree that there is zero documentary evidence to that effect. Obviously the idea of reporting being discouraged at the time is perfectly plausible, but not that they are not recorded by CWGC, nor by the civil death registration process, is the stuff of conspiracy theories.

It turns out that while there is a death registration (as "Due to War Operation"), it is actually annotated thus:

"Olive Jane Glitz found to be living. Letter received from Town Clerk, West Ham, dated 22nd February 1941, stating that his records have been amended accordingly."

There is, in fact, a marriage registration for "Olley J Glitz" (to Edward Batten) in Kensington in the September Quarter of 1968.

 

His death certificate states cause of death:

"a. Coronary thrombosis
b. Myocardial degeneration
c. Senility"

 

(South) Hallsville Primary School Civilian War Memorial 10th September 1940

 

Olly Jane survived. Daily mirror ran an appeal to trace her family the same appeal Rosemary and Marigold Smith were reunited in. They are on the memorial the smiths but survived.

 

Welcome to the forum
I visited the new school a few years back and they allowed me in to take photos of the memorial
(South) Hallsville Primary School Civilian War Memorial 10th September 1940

 

Hi
Sorry I was referring to the memorial at the cemetery x

 

My grandfather had to identify his mum Olley Stafford at Romford rd swimming baths. Olley Stafford was also mother of Caroline Prentice and Harriet Glitz Nee Stafford. My grandad lost his mum and 2 sisters his brother in law and 4 nieces and nephews.He also had no contact whatsoever with the only survivor Olly Jane Glitz x

 

Olley Jane Glitz survived

 

Memorial in East London Cemetery and Crematorium