Some Photographs - Crashed Aircraft etc.

Discussion in 'Axis Units' started by von Poop, Apr 30, 2008.

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  1. dbf

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  2. dbf

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    86.
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  3. dbf

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    Disappointingly the pennant shows nothing and the last line on the billboard is a tel. no.! Wonder if this "Restauracia" in No. 84 could be Czech / Slovak. Is it poss. Any comments?
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  4. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    84. Might be wrong here, as im not anywhere near my books but the guy in the middle with his hand on his hips , its his bike, bike jacket.

    Puttee man looks out of place, definetly a German uniform. Never seen Puttees before. I wonder why? He looks quite smart, cant make out his rank but his boots loo well poilshed and he seems to have a map case or something on his back.

    The big private on the RH side seems to be holding a lamp or something which everyone seems mildly interested in
     
  5. dbf

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    Thanks Kev,
    I wonder what that guy is holding. Initially I thought he was pouring out something ... can't get a better res. than this.:(

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  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Is the puttee man wearing those German Staff Officer trousers that had the red stripe down the side ? Normally they would wear Jack boots? I'm just wondering if this is the norm or similiar for under the jack boots?

    The big private on the right looks like he's pouring a drink for the others to try, maybe some local fire water hence the interest.

    Is the chap on the far right carrying a map case and the vehicle on far left could that be puttee mans Staff car...It has some sort of pennant. There is also what appears to be some more vehicles there too.

    Just noticed there is a driver in the truck too.

    Great pics again Diane :)
     
  7. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    No idea what hes got hold of there.

    Not much to go in the way of divisional symbol. I guess this is the key to the whole picture identify that unit and you know its early in the war, make a good call where its taken.
     

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  8. kfz

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    Not a staff car, some sort of light truck. Hes not a staff officer. I think some sort of junior rank.

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    yea the lance Corporal Far right, Binocular case?
     
  10. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I searched restauracia in Google and came up with Slovakian for restaurant. (Former Czech)
     
  11. Jan7

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    84.v2

    I probe a thing, a tip of magic: I Google RESTAURACIA ESPLANADA and find a amazing matter: More links appoint to Slovakia....Take a look.....:sign_wow:




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  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I've found thefollowing ref the Puttees if it helps someone else with clues..

    German Army WW2 Gebirgsjager Puttees (Winkelgamaschen)
    Pre-Early war Grey wool
    Has hooks to hold onto Bergschue
    Reinforced
    Reproduction
    Size fits all
    Elasticated
    New
    Made in USA
    Includes instructions which are both in German and English

    However I think these are reffering to what Mountain units wore and images seem to show puttees that wrap just around the ankles and not up the lower leg.

    Any chance puttee man could be Police or Para Military? That seems to be the closest I could come to finding out.

    Other thoughts could be its part of a old WW1 uniform I found lots of pictures similar to these on WW1 troops?
     
  13. dbf

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    Hi Kev,

    I know you said you didn't have your refs handy, but do you think puttee man could be some kind of messenger, not the normal dispatch rider, hence the nice shiny boots and the case ...?

    Going by some of the other prev. photos I wonder if he has something to do with Signals too.

    Jan and Drew, thanks, Yes, I think it is a best guess - former Czechoslovakia.

    Thanks for all help,
     
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  14. von Poop

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    I just wish the bugger had moved out of the way to make that unit marking clearer!

    The puttees look like standard army issue ones. Somewhat old fashioned and usually issued to Mountain troops, though by the lack of a Bergmutze I'd say this chap's no Gebirgsjager. They seem to have remained fashionable among some staff officers; got a few pics of von Arnim wearing similar before and after his capture.
    I'd associate the fella with what I'm now pretty comfortable is the Mercedes behind. These heavy cars were used for a variety of roles but one of the primary ones was as officer's transport.
    The pennant is an indicator of some sort of HQ vehicle, though there's not enough detail to make out what level.
    And he reeks of 'brass' doesn't he?
     
  15. dbf

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    Thank you VP!

    He does look a lot out of place standing next to the rest of them.

    What can be said about the fella standing in his mum's flower bed then, no.86, post 147? He has a lot of badges and what about the cuff? Again, that pic is as good as it gets.
     
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  16. von Poop

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    What can be said about the fella standing in his mum's flower bed then, no.86, post 147? He has a lot of badges and what about the cuff? Again, that pic is as good as it gets.


    Flyboy-esque uniform of Luftwaffe field divisions.
    With: Top: Paratrooper qualification badge. Left: Luftwaffe Ground combat badge. Right: Wound badge. Bottom: Not clear enough for me to be sure.
    Mostly silver, (or even gold?) for the ones with different 'grades'?
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    So he's FJ with some experience.

    Can't make out the cuff-band, but suspect it may be for 'Kreta' (Crete) from the shade, possibly even 'Afrika' (there's a couple of other possibilities). Doesn't appear to be 'Herman/General Goring' as there seems to be no variant that bright and it's usually on the other sleeve (which he's annoyingly tucked slightly behind him!).
     
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  17. dbf

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    Great Adam,
    Thanks for the ID.
    I think it your first one is right - KRETA, 5 letters, but I've lost my glasses so can't check :rolleyes:

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  18. von Poop

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    That officer in front of the car (puttee-man) has been saying 'artillery' to me for a while, no justification for this other than a hunch so far.

    Looking again, the partial sign where the divisional marking would be does possibly fit the 18th Pz.Div. (formed Oct.1940 from 4th & 14th inf.Div.).
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Ww2_GermanDivision_Panzer_18.png
    Or, a heavy artillery tactical marking as listed here (though I'm pretty sure it's a div marking in yellow):
    Examples of German Tactical Symbols

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    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/attachments/general/9624d1220726995t-some-family-photographs-crashed-aircraft-etc-div-jpg

    Not convinced at either of the above, that possible reversed E with a tail is ringing a faint bell that I've seen it before.

    It can get so maddening looking through assorted books... I wish they'd use a 'visual index' for tactical signs. Maybe it's time we started specific reference threads relating to the different armies official vehicle markings.
     
  19. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    That officer in front of the car (puttee-man) has been saying 'artillery' to me for a while, no justification for this other than a hunch so far.

    Looking again, the partial sign where the divisional marking would be does possibly fit the 18th Pz.Div. (formed Oct.1940 from 4th & 14th inf.Div.).
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Ww2_GermanDivision_Panzer_18.png
    Or, a heavy artillery tactical marking as listed here (though I'm pretty sure it's a div marking in yellow):
    Examples of German Tactical Symbols

    [​IMG] div.jpg
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/attachments/general/9624d1220726995t-some-family-photographs-crashed-aircraft-etc-div-jpg

    Not convinced at either of the above, that possible reversed E with a tail is ringing a faint bell that I've seen it before.

    It can get so maddening looking through assorted books... I wish they'd use a 'visual index' for tactical signs. Maybe it's time we started specific reference threads relating to the different armies official vehicle markings.


    I think you have something there VP. I thought it looked curved and looked though shileds, to no luck, But I think the curve look is just a trick of the mudguard of the blitz. Its a straight edge like your 16th Div.
     
  20. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Hi Kev,

    I know you said you didn't have your refs handy, but do you think puttee man could be some kind of messenger, not the normal dispatch rider, hence the nice shiny boots and the case ...?

    Going by some of the other prev. photos I wonder if he has something to do with Signals too.

    Jan and Drew, thanks, Yes, I think it is a best guess - former Czechoslovakia.

    Thanks for all help,
    d


    Nah the puttea are useless on a bike. not warm enough and no protection. The guy with the big tunic with all the pockets on looks like the rider to me. Or the bike could be completly unrelated???

    Kev
     

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