Some British hand held binoculars.

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  1. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    O.K. final one. Was hoping to put all the pictures in the same posting but didn't work out for me.


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  2. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    David , looks like someone just filled over the yellow "crows feet" , a very good set of binoculars.
    Thank you for the look.
    :)
     
  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    No illumination , just as you see.
    It was sinking dirty inside and a friend of minew ( who recently moved back to England) cleaned it out for me.

    Could I ask what make / nationality the ones you have are ?
    Difference in magnification , complexity of build ?
    If you meant my Stereo Viewers James they're very much simple/civilian variants from the late 19th/turn of the century (basically 4 lenses and a frame), I only asked on illumination as yours looked like it might have it. I have one Coronet stereo camera but again it's a very basic Civvy model,from a little later; c.1953.
     
  4. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    O.K. final one. Was hoping to put all the pictures in the same posting but didn't work out for me.


    Dear David: Superb photos and binoculars:lol:!!.

    Sadly, in this photo

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    the autofocus of your pocket camera had a malfunction....Focus perfectly at the table.......:mad:




    For avoid this problem, you must make the photo in steps:
    • Put a postcard in the horizontal surface in wich are marked the binoculars in white letters.
    • Then, press gently the shutter of your digital camera -a green ligth will bright in your display -the camera will focus at the postcard
    • With the help of other person, pull up the postcard. Don't retire your finger of the shutter.....
    • Push at the bottom the shutter. Make the photo.
    :confused:In this manner, the camera focus at the binoculars, not at the table.......This effect occurs many times in the windows of the aircrafts....


    If any understand my instructions, please explain to David, please.....:rolleyes:



    Jan.
     
  5. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the tip Jan. I understand. When I have another pair of hands available to "pull up the postcard" I will give it a go.
     
  6. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    Thanks for the tip Jan. I understand. When I have another pair of hands available to "pull up the postcard" I will give it a go.

    You are welcome, David!

    Possibly, the postcard will be could replaced for one of your hands. In the other, took your camera.

    Or use a tripod if your camera are provided of an screw in his bottom surface.

    Don't replace the postcard for a white/blank sheet of paper.....the autofocus system wrong again.

    Practice and experiment......It's the key of digital photos.





    Jan.
     
  7. Drucius

    Drucius Junior Member

    I don't suppose anyone has a photograph of the Barr & Stroud rangefinders that the RHA might have used in an M10 Wolverine (tank destroyer) would they?
     
  8. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Let me have a look in a book up stairs "Range and Vision" - about B&S rangefinders , it might have something.
    Sorry no mention of that type of vehicle , if it was british , Ottaway ( think that is spelt right) or Ross might have been the suppliers - having seen stuff fro Shermans in the past I am pretty sure B&S didn't supply.
    Js
     
  9. Drucius

    Drucius Junior Member

    Funny, there's definitely a B&S rangefinder listed in the equipment list for M10s (an American TD but used by British artillerymen) How about one that would have been used for artillery generally? I wish I could remember the mark no.
     
  10. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Do you have the model number of the set ?
    The only two written works I have on Barr and Stroud are
    "Range an Vision" which deals mostly with their range finders and "We are Defiantely Not Afraid of Zeiss" which dealers with their binoculars against the history of the firm.

    Tank optics are not my thing - really on account of not being able to use them properly - they don't lend themselves to being hand held or tripod mounted.

    I have seen vision blocks and Barr and Stroud instruments from post war tanks on eBay occasionally and those mentioned in the R&V book are mostly post war the M-10 was not mentioned. ( Sorry).
    If you can give me a model number I may be able to look further.

    British Artillery and Tank Telescopes

    This gent has a site on the M-10 , lack of information seems to be a problem :(
     
  11. Drucius

    Drucius Junior Member

    I'll have a dig around and see what I can come up with.
     
  12. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    No worries I have often wondered what else they provided apart from naval items , the firm also supplied gunnery sights for the RAF - what apart from range finders they supplied to the Army I just don't know to bne honest.
     
  13. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    I bought this on "eBay" a few months ago and had it professionally cleaned , prisms re cemented - it is good for the rest of my lifetime.
    having taken it out on a few days walking the dog and general days out - much impressed by it - we should take more pride in what our people did well , a great piece of engineering.

    The yellow crows feet had been painted over , I assume this was to accommodate a post war resale of the set ( I may be wrong) , when "found" the offending "black" came off with the aid of a little nail polish remover.

    Must compliment the admin. staff , the photo system on the forum is second to none :)

    What these things sometimes look like before cleaning , this one - the prisms have separated completely and the yellow staining is due to the degrading of the Canadian Balsam cement .
    Hopefully they will clean up. :)
    At the moment impossible to see through , this view " from the wrong end" allows you to inspect the prisms and lens for damage.
     

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  14. Jan7

    Jan7 Senior Member

    James, what is the motif of these two white arrows painted in the body of your binoculars?




    Jan.
     
  15. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Jan , the "crows feet" or "Government Arrows" a sign of admiralty ownership , usually bright yellow , for some reason these are slightly pale , I was going to over paint them but have decided to leave them as they are.
    Sets sold as "surplus" after the war usually had the "feet" over painted in black and these anti spray shades were more than often removed , odd in this instance that the shades remained in situ.
     
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  17. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Bijou little set that recently passed into the boy's hands.

    Gt. Uncle carried them through the desert while driving his Crusader (there are contemporary photos with him wearing the same, or very similar, set. Wartime & possibly Suez & Korea).
    Got to say they're pretty good considering their 69 years - No bloom or serious dings in the image path, but overdue a damned good clean.

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    What puzzles me; is that there doesn't appear to be a single WD Arrow anywhere on them (and let's face it - they stamped the things wherever there was a space on most issue kit).

    No.2 MkII seem pretty standard military Binoculars from a bit of Googling, and the other markings point to military issue - but any explanation in your references why they might not have Arrows James?

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  18. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Adam , another unmarked set - a set of Kershaws dated 1943 6x30's with graticule in situ.

    Like yours a heavy set.
     

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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Is that Arrows on the 3rd picture?
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    Made me take the magnifier to mine, and there are indeed some tiny faint ones on the Eyepiece side...
    That's almost a relief; British gear with no arrow is just wrong. Wonder if they just struck them very cautiously for the sake of 'delicate' optics.

    They're not exactly lightweight are they.
    Like the webbing strap, might have to sort one like that out.

    ~A
     
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  20. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    Never noticed these before Adam , certainly didn't last night ,thank you for pointing them out . :).
    ( I don't use this set , one of the few 6x30's I have).

    Lightweight they are not :)
    Very solid with a good bit of brass in them , the Jerry sets are lighter , later ones (CAG marked -The much sought after "Africa Corp" ones !) almost as heavy and not near as good quality.

    Attached some info on the nature of British arrow markings and a photo of markings on a set of Ross 7x50.
    (From Dr. Stephen Rohan's "A Guide to Handheld Military Binoculars").

    When I look at this set I think of Michael Caine in "A Bridge Too Far" , he gets into a scot car with a set of Ross around his neck and emerges at the other end of his short journey with a set of Kershaws , in the same movie SS officer assulting the bridge goes into action with a set of Bar and Stroud such as Jan has just posted a photo of.
    (I really should get out more............. :) ....next time anyone is going to the pub drop me a pm ).
     

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