my father served with the RAMC he was taken prisoner in 1942, despite the attrocities he witnessed as a medic, he never spoke ill of the germans, in fact i remember him telling me that the nicest persen he ever met was rommel. however he did not care for the americans, he said that they really were just a bunch of animals. upon his repatriation from the pow camp by the americans, because he was a medic, he was seconded to the releiving american force, and went on to some of the death maps with the yanks. despite this he never spoke ill of the germans??
nio he began in the faeroe islands, then went to north africa, where he was taken pow, then marched from poland to germany, once the americans arrived at his pow camp, and discovered he was a medic, he was taken with them to some of the death camps. so he saw plenty of attorcities.
They should shake hands and forgive to each outhers (the nazis suffered too).Those kind of wars must NEVER be forget but do you think that the soldiers are responsable for the war? They done there work the comanders give the orders. There are no bad guys in the wars there are no inosent soldiers in the war everone kill in the war everyone make the outher to suffer and as i said befor "wars never changes".So why shouldn't the soldiers forgive to each outher?
I believe in forgiving the soldiers. Some were after all, there against their will, or simply fighting for their country just the same as we did. But the nazis? No, never can they be forgiven. They were not simple soldiers, they were pure evil with a cruel mentality. Soldiers are one thing, but nazis are a completely different thing altogether
I believe in forgiving the soldiers. Some were after all, there against their will, or simply fighting for their country just the same as we did. But the nazis? No, never can they be forgiven. They were not simple soldiers, they were pure evil with a cruel mentality. Soldiers are one thing, but nazis are a completely different thing altogether Read my last post and mark the words "There are no bad and good guys in war".Nazis kill Russians did the same im sure there are situation where the british or US soldiers killed insoent people too. Nazis ?? Not all germans were nazis some of them were fighting for there coutry.The germans love germany as much as you love England you know.Its normal for them to go on a fight for the coutry its there duty.Germans were simple soldiers they were evil like any outher soldiers when they come the people hide because they are bringing death.When your on the frontline and bombs are droped over your head people are crying and shoulting theres blood everywhere the last thing you begin to think is are you nazi or do you like Hitler. There is a saying "History is writen by the winers" im sure that some of the things that we know about the german soldiers are myths. Maybe most of you will begin to say "damn this bulgarian guy is either nazi or he is just crazy" but no i just respect and the german army won my respect and there must be at least one who to defend the german side around here. Remamber we are all christians (i think) and god teach us to forgive.(Especialy when something happand 50-60 years ago) So drink beer and live in peace and friendship
I never said "all germans were nazis"!!!! I said the opposite. I said that forgiving the soldiers is fine..they were fighting for their side as would every other nation. So please read over my piece again. I am not so silly as to think that german soldiers and german nazis were the same thing, if you read my piece again then i'm sure you'll understand what i'm saying
Hmmmm I dont understand english or i just cant find exactly where you said that not all germans are nazis. Is this where you said it "Soldiers are one thing, but nazis are a completely different thing altogether"
I believe in forgiving the soldiers. Some were after all, there against their will, or simply fighting for their country just the same as we did. But the nazis? No, never can they be forgiven. They were not simple soldiers, they were pure evil with a cruel mentality. Soldiers are one thing, but nazis are a completely different thing altogether Define nazi. Does the fervent nazi of the 1930's who committed no war-crimes personally, worked in a factory say, now rate as unforgiveably evil as he thinks about how the world turns and people change while weeding his garden with the missus? Seems exceptionally naive to me to draw a clean line of distinction between 'Nazi' & 'Soldier' where a clean line cannot be satisfactorily drawn. This one isn't even in a hundred shades of grey, it's thousands of hard to seperate shades and moral absolutism just doesn't fit. If it were so simple then the trials at Nuremburg could have been dealt with in a week. .... and this tortuous thread would have ended in 5 posts Cheers, Adam.
Define nazi. Does the fervent nazi of the 1930's who committed no war-crimes personally, worked in a factory say, now rate as unforgiveably evil as he thinks about how the world turns and people change while weeding his garden with the missus? Seems exceptionally naive to me to draw a clean line of distinction between 'Nazi' & 'Soldier' where a clean line cannot be satisfactorily drawn. This one isn't even in a hundred shades of grey, it's thousands of hard to seperate shades and moral absolutism just doesn't fit. If it were so simple then the trials at Nuremburg could have been dealt with in a week. .... and this tortuous thread would have ended in 5 posts Cheers, Adam. There are many shades of grey, but not only between nazi and soldier, but also within the ranks. One example was the July 20 attempt on Hitler, which, when the news spread to the front-line troops, appalled them. Some have analysed this as a classic example that the Nazi ideology was widespread, whereas others have stated that this was in fact a reaction against the attempt to kill their Commander in Chief (who they may not have liked personnally but still saw as their military leader). A few have even analysed the soldiers' reaction as an example of how they perceived the way that the first world war had ended ("the stab in the back"). Just this one small example shows that being a nazi or not had many meanings. Besides, many of the actual murderers never joined the nazi party, whereas many civil servants had to join the party (even post men) to retain their jobs.
Did Bulgaria fight alongside the Germans? Dont give an opinion about something you lnow nothing about. The men that murdered our men in Normandy were German Soldiers. And they murdered in cold blood. German Soldiers ran the extermination camps. It was fine while they were winning. a different story when they started to lose. 60 million people died in WW2 and the German soldier did the best part of that killing. There is nothing anyone can say that will bring the murdered British and Canadians back. All you politically correct can call for what you like. it is us old Veterans that went and fought these savages that have the right to forgive. NO THANKS Sapper
Did Bulgaria fight alongside the Germans? Dont give an opinion about something you lnow nothing about. The men that murdered our men in Normandy were German Soldiers. And they murdered in cold blood. German Soldiers ran the extermination camps. It was fine while they were winning. a different story when they started to lose. 60 million people died in WW2 and the German soldier did the best part of that killing. There is nothing anyone can say that will bring the murdered British and Canadians back. All you politically correct can call for what you like. it is us old Veterans that went and fought these savages that have the right to forgive. NO THANKS Sapper Your know best what they did your a veteran and you fight those soldiers.Bulgaria was German friend in the begining of the war since the Russians have come.We start to cut the withdrawing SS devisions from Serbia.Bulgarian army did there best they even enter in Hungaria.many Bulgarian villiges were fully destroyed by the German Soldiers they cut some heads they burn some villiges bomb outher.We did the same.In ww1 Bulgara and Sebia fight each outher those were maybe the most rabid fightings that some one can think about.When two nations that hate each outhers meet in the battlefield the comanders dont even think for surrendering.Many soldiers died.However Bulgarian armys did win the battles and enter in Serbian villiges our soldiers killed almost anything that moved in those villiges and get anything that they could carry.Then The Serbians attacked they done the verysame thing in our citys and villiges.But we forget those things and we live like brothers now.German soldiers killed many people indeed but didnt many germans die from starvation after ww1 when germany didnt had permision even to have own army? Bulgaria too half of our territory was given to Rumania and Greece.And the people who live on this territory couldn't get back.
Sapper, As a veteran yourself, I would never second guess your instinct. I asked my grandfather as a child (about 10 years old) if he would ever speak to a Japanese person. I remember him saying, 'No'. He then contemplated for a little while and said, 'certainly not someone my age, I guess I could talk to someone your age (their grandchildren)'. His feelings and memories ran very deep. I think it is entirely a personal decision. There really is no 'correct' answer. No rational or encompassing slogan will give an answer. It is your memories, feelings and reasoning.
This is something that is between the Veteran,his conscience & his enemy,some do choose to forgive,but rarely forget,others carry their scars & emnity to the grave,who are we to judge. The sins of the Fathers should however not be visited upon the Sons
my father was a ww11 medic in the ramc. he said that the americzans he met were much much worse than any german he ever came across, and he was a pow from 1942 onwards
after being liberated by the americans he was then seconded to them being a medic, and to his dying day he maintained that the attrocities they carried out towards the germans, were worse than anything done by the germans, and he was one of the first medics to arive at the nazi death camps.
As a veteran of another war, I have to say the thought of forgiveness is a difficult one for me to entertain, but I know others who have done it and I have no problem with that. In my view it is definitely a personal decision that has to be made by the individual concerned.
I can forgive the Wehrmacht Soldier, but not the SS. But I cannot forgive what they did to innocent women and children. To burn down a Church they had packed with women and children, so that they were burned alive...I cannot forgive, I have hopes that those responsible will, when the time comes, have to answer for their deeds. I hope that they will be sentenced to listen to the hideous screams of women and little children. The screams of little children as their own skin and flesh melted, as they slowly burned alive..I hope that they will have to listen....For all eternity. Sound never goes away completely it just fades in volume. Somewhere out there in the universe, those screams are still echoing. Orador sur glan, Lidice, and a thousand other atrocities that were committed when they were "Winning" Sapper
I don't believe it's anyones place to suggest what Veterans should or shouldn't do. It's up to them and as such effectively nobody else's business. I remain deeply grateful for what British veterans did for us as a nation, and what allied veterans did for us as allies. I also bear no ill feeling towards veterans from the other side nor their descendants - since, thankfully, hostilities have ceased. This isn't apologism nor revisionism, as those who committed atrocities meet their maker they shall be judged and it's not my place to question the wisdom of the Lord, just as it isn't to question whether veterans should or should not be willing to forgive.
