Ships deliberately sunk at Normandy 1944.

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  1. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    From: U.S. Ships Sunk or Damaged in Murmansk Run, Normandy, Northeast Atlantic, Northern European ports

    6/08/1944 Artemus Ward Liberty
    6/08/1944 Benjamin Contee Liberty
    6/08/1944 Courageous Freighter
    6/08/1944 David O. Saylor Concrete ship
    6/08/1944 Willis A. Slater Concrete ship
    6/08/1944 Galveston Freighter
    6/08/1944 George S. Wasson Liberty
    6/08/1944 George W. Childs Liberty
    6/08/1944 James Iredell Liberty
    6/08/1944 James W. Marshall Liberty
    6/08/1944 Matt W. Ransom Liberty
    6/08/1944 Victory Sword Freighter
    6/08/1944 Vitruvius Concrete ship
    6/08/1944 West Grama Freighter
    6/08/1944 West Honaker Freighter
    6/08/1944 Wilscox Freighter
    6/11/1944 West Cheswald Freighter
    6/11/1944 West Nohno Freighter
    06/_/44 Olambala [former Italian Antonietta] Freighter (Panama)
    06/_/44 Audacious [former Italian Belvedere] Freighter (Panama)
    06/_/44 Baialoide [former Italian Liana] Freighter (Panama)
    06/_/44 Flight Command Freighter (Panama)
    7/07/1944 West Nilus Freighter
    07/14/44 Kofresi Freighter
    07/26/44 Sahale Hog Islander
    07/28/44 Illinoian Freighter
    8/04/1944 Lena Luckenbach Freighter
    8/04/1944 Pennsylvanian Freighter
    8/06/1944 Potter Freighter
    8/12/1944 Kentuckian Freighter
    08/13/44 Alcoa Leader Freighter
    08/18/44 Robin Gray Freighter
    08/26/44 Exford Freighter
     
  2. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

  3. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Good footage Wills.

    I was watching a history channel documentary on the Mulberry Harbours and the subsequent destruction of the American Harbour.

    Seems the Seebees ignored the instructions on how they were to be put together. They ignored the instruction to put a certain amount of couplings per section (I think 6 and only used 3). Apparently they said it is only going to be used for a short while so they cut some corners.

    The British one held, the US one was disabled.

    Someone may have more info on this!
     
  4. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Nice detail, Spidge. I have read some criticism of shortcuts or oversights in the construction of Mulberry A but have never been able to find the comments again. Maybe it's time for another look.
     
  5. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Nice detail, Spidge. I have read some criticism of shortcuts or oversights in the construction of Mulberry A but have never been able to find the comments again. Maybe it's time for another look.

    This documentary was very interesting down to the nitty gritty from an impossible initial concept to implementation. I had always believed that it was the atrocious weather that caused the collapse not the purposeful disregard (of those with local knowledge) of the leading engineers assembly specifications.
     
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    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

  7. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

  8. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Seems the Seebees ignored the instructions on how they were to be put together. They ignored the instruction to put a certain amount of couplings per section (I think 6 and only used 3). Apparently they said it is only going to be used for a short while so they cut some corners.

    From Hartcup's Codename Mulberry:
    While there was no doubt that the work of the Seabees was good, their initial training on the equipment in Scotland had begun too late for them to benefit from actually linking the spans and anchoring the floats themselves, as this task had been completed by the British. Moreover, the officers who had been sent on the course did not seem to appreciate, in the way that the British did, the need to secure the the floats properly. Later, they turned a deaf ear to Beckett's warnings, and training before D-Day was, in any case, limited to coupling a few spans.
    For this reason, on the far shore the Americans thought that the mooring of alternate spans would suffice, with the result that when the bad weather came the anchors dragged and the bridge swung out of position. The British, on the contrary, doubled their moorings when the gale warning was given.

    In fact, he mentions that the British Whales were also originally moored only on alternate floats. However, a 'spare' sapper officer (with experience of Whale development in Scotland) took it upon himself to moor each float at both ends and cable the floats together. It reads as though this was a construction activity carried out before the additional measures in anticipation of the storm.
     
  9. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    From Hartcup's Codename Mulberry:


    In fact, he mentions that the British Whales were also originally moored only on alternate floats. However, a 'spare' sapper officer (with experience of Whale development in Scotland) took it upon himself to moor each float at both ends and cable the floats together. It reads as though this was a construction activity carried out before the additional measures in anticipation of the storm.

    Possibly the documentary was intimating that the British were taking extra measures against the storm and the Seebees rejected that later advice.

    Not how I remembered it but could have been the context in which it was meant.

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  10. Tab

    Tab Senior Member

    It appeared that the Americans cut corners to get it up and running first, the instructions were clear enough on what they had to do. Now I wonder if they ever paid us for it as we seemed to pay them for all the bits we had off them.
     
  11. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

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    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

  13. Chris Howlett

    Chris Howlett Junior Member

    All,

    I found this thread when searching for information on the Mulberry Harbours. I am planning to conduct a major bathymetric survey of the remains later in September and am interested in any information that you may have relating to them.

    The survey is covered by a small web site www.mulberrysurvey.co.uk if you want to find out more.

    I hope you find this of interest

    Chris
     
  14. idler

    idler GeneralList

    They've just had a short segment on tonight's One Show about the Bombardons and their inventor - about 10 min in. I don't think they actually mentioned them by name, though.
     
  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    They've just had a short segment on tonight's One Show about the Bombardons and their inventor - about 10 min in. I don't think they actually mentioned them by name, though.

    Just watched it too. Eureka !
     

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