Shipping Vehicles from A to B. Crates, Cranes, Decks & Docks.

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  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Inspired by Owen's spotting of M10(?) transit boxes:
    Box structures on Sherman hulls
    And not wishing to tread on Clive's more specific US document:
    United States Transportation Corps:Movements,Training and Supply WW2

    Hunting for those M10 boxes showed a relative paucity of stuff about packing, shipping & unloading machines, at least a lack of any concentration of such discovered so far.

    So...
    Links, pictures, etc. Tanks, trucks, aircraft etc. being prepared for transit, in transit, and unloading.
    Maybe not so much the tactical stuff like LSTs, more strategic moves, Dock handling, Lend-lease etc.
    Might be more useful if it's allowed to become 'dock pictures & packing' more generally, but I suspect there's a place for it on the Internerd.

    A thin start, but some stuff from IWM.

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM 1939-45. © IWM (H 21034) IWM Non Commercial License
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    THE BRITISH ARMY ON MALTA 1942. © IWM (GM 454) IWM Non Commercial License
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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN THE MIDDLE EAST 1942. © IWM (E 9222) IWM Non Commercial License
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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM 1939-45. © IWM (H 1853)
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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH AFRICA. © IWM (E 4312)
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  2. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Motorcycles were generally netted in 1940. There was of course a difference between vehicles belonging to units going overseas and new machines 'crated for export'.

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  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Utilisation of space became an obsession as convoy losses increased and in the end they were quite good at it. Sorry about the poor quality - scanned from 'The Motor-Cycle'. March 15th 1945.

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  4. Dave55

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  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

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    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  7. Roy Martin

    Roy Martin Senior Member

    Rich Payne says: Utilisation of space became an obsession as convoy losses increased and in the end they were quite good at it. (my underlining).

    They had always been good at it. One of the Chief Mate's jobs was to fill the ship, without voids, and if possible get her down to her marks at the same time. Light cargo had to be on top, to save crushing; cargoes like tea were kept well clear of smelly cargoes etc. At the same time he had to ensure that the ship would be stable at all stages in the voyage and carried enough water; while the Engineers often told porkies about the amount of fuel they had - usually keeping more than a few tons 'in hand'. You could write a book about it, someone did 'Thomas' Stowage'. Then there was Strategic Loading, for landings, but that's another story.
     
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  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Still in print since 1928, I see.



    Nice shot of a PT boat stowed for transport, presumably to the Pacific.
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  9. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Roy, certainly not my intention to cast aspersions on the MN, but they had to make the best of what was delivered to them. In 1940, motorcycles were put in railway goods wagons in Birmingham and unloaded at Chilwell before being taken by lorries to the docks. By 1945, in preparation for ending the war against Japan, contracts were specifying 'Crated for Export' and 'Made suitable for the Tropics'. It was often no longer necessary to load 'loose' motorcycles.
     
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  10. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Perhaps not quite according to best practice. A poor old Crossley Airfield Tender on the way to Greece.

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  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    That's just really made me giggle.
    You can almost hear it scraping over the hull as well, just to compound the re-modelling issues.
     
  12. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic Patron

    The Plimsoll Line also looks rather high! I hope they made it to their destination.
     
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  13. 8RB

    8RB Well-Known Member

    Bren carrier being unpacked. Photo (of photo) taken at Battle of Normandy museum Bayeux, June 2014.
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  14. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake Gunner Tours

    One point worth noting is the comment in the British Army Training Memoranda is the exhortation to remove anything valuable or detachable from equipment shipped because British dockworkers were thieves. (As were British servicemen. The same training note advised of a vehicle left unattended in Tobruck for an hour. The driver returned to find it without lights aerials distributor rotor, coil tyres etc.)
     
  15. canuck

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    Kennedy's boat
     
  16. canuck

    canuck Token Colonial Patron

    Christmas morning at Adam's house. In a perfect world.

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  17. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    This is how the Canadians slung BSAs - You can see it's Canadian by the large chunk of padding on the seat that allowed them to ride as if on a Western saddle.

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  18. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I really don't know what's going on here. Maybe they think that the BSA is a witch ?

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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Thought I'd flick through W&T, as I recall quite a few shipping shots.
    Given that this is what issue 1 provides, this may be quite fruitful.
    Mr Vanderveen quite the chap for factory & depot stuff.

    Some White lorries:
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  20. Dave55

    Dave55 Very Senior Member Patron

    I wonder if those are half-tracks in the White crates. The boxes look a little small. Would have to be though, right? The 6 ton White was even bigger and not many scout cars went overseas.

    Great thread. Thanks for starting it.
     

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