Shall we close the Holocaust section of the forum?

Discussion in 'Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback' started by Owen, Apr 27, 2010.

  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Thinking out loud again.
    People are falling out with eachother left right & centre because of comments on that part of the forum.
    It never seems to attract sensible queries.
    It usually attracts deniers .
    Those of us who ask awkward questions seem to upset other members.
    It was part of the original set up on WW2Talk & then got enlarged when another forum was merged with this one until we trimmed it back.
    What say you?
    Can we have a WW2 forum with a Commonwealth focus without a holocaust section ?
    To be perfectly honest, I've only posted in there because it's there & I thought I should.
    Rather wish I hadn't.
     
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  2. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Thinking out loud...
    It's not something we should forget or ignore. We can all say things we regret at times. I'm impressed the way emotive subjects are handled pretty well here. I saw a post recently (elsewhere) where a first poster's post was closed as it was off topic. It resulted in a very knowledgeable person leaving and a ridiculous second thread. Could not happen here. And should not.

    Does the software allow posting to certain selected sub-forums, say after 100 posts? You ought to know by then if its a troll, denier or just a dick. However I'm not in favour generally of 'Protected Forums'. Can't see the point of these.

    Hope this helps.

    geoff
     
  3. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

    No I don't think you should close it. If you're concerned about knobs then I reckon Geoffs suggestion is the best option.

    The Holocaust is an area which has always interested me. If sensible questions are asked, there's no reason why sensible answers shouldn't be given. I just ignore the idiots.

    Closing it would be sad for the forum.
     
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I don't fancy protected forums either Geoff.
    It's just being a mod we the most hassle we get is from threads in the holocaust forum.
    Reported posts from other members about unsuitable comments, banning deniers, smoothing the waters between members etc etc.
    I know we should never forget the Holocaust & I know we can't get rid of the sub-forum.
    Just that it's the biggets headache on the forum as a whole.
     
  5. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

    Perhaps there should be a forum rule where if you think you may be posting something which may cause offence or upset to other members, you sub-title the thread with "Thinking out loud".

    This then protects you from any discrimination from other members.

    As you say, thinking out loud on a forum is sometimes the best way to get proper answers, rather than trawling the web.

    Just a thought.
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    In a word NO!

    To close it and not have a place to discuss it would just acquiesce with those who refuse to accept it happened.

    As for those that fall out with each other who used to be friends, as harsh as it may seem, that is there problem-reminds me of children in the playground.

    As Adam often reminds us, at the end of the day its only the internet !
     
  7. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    No. Just had 20 British citizens accepted by CWGC who died in Nazi camps. Just let someone try to deny that
     
  8. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    I vote No, Owen.

    I fully accept that having to moderate the Holocaust threads has to be a chore, but please read my post no.173 in that thread and you'll see the effect this stewardship of yours and the others makes.

    Bright things can happen, we even saw Heimbrent issue an apology, something I had to read twice to check whether my eyes were deceiving me!

    It's worth it, believe me!
     
  9. Gibbo

    Gibbo Senior Member

    Definitely keep it open, and don't impose a minimum level of posts, as that would exclude those who're mainly interested in the Holocaust rather than other aspects of WWII. Deniers should be banned immediately, but it shouldn't be assumed that somebody is a denier because they ask an awkward or poorly phrased question.
     
  10. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    No. Just had 20 British citizens accepted by CWGC who died in Nazi camps. Just let someone try to deny that


    I agree. The Holocaust is not a nice issue to research, especially when you visit the camps and look through archive material.

    I think that perhaps we have also to consider that for some users on this forum English is not their first language and this perhaps leads to difficulties in translation, which sometimes cause offence to others.

    I think this forum is extremely tolerant compared to some sites I have visited, but this is down to two factors.

    1. Level headed members

    2. Good Moderators.

    I appreciate that being a Moderator involves a lot off work behind the scenes that most of us never are never aware of what has taken place.

    Here is a thankyou to our great Moderators.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  11. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Ah, but Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Ah, but Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    You lot do, that's why I often ask awkward questions on the Suggestions & Feedback section.
     
  13. LesCM19

    LesCM19 "...lets rock!"

    Ah, but Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
    You must've been waiting ages to use that one...

    The holocaust isn't really my thing but I think it should be kept open & for new members too in case they are just starting out on some research. Just jump on any loonies with both feet!:icon_crash::smash:
     
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  14. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Definitely NOT!!

    While it mirrors the difficulties mods have with the eastern front, we as a ww2 forum owe these discussions to the members, and those who browse.

    There is quite a lot of misinformation on the net on this subject so we as a forum should be determined to rebuff any that is laid out here.

    We owe it to the memory of these people not to give up because it is too hard. Those souls did not live to be part of the post war era and a majority that did have to bear the memory just as if they were front line participants.

    Sadly the world still has not learnt. There has it seems always been numerous examples of genocide throughout history and post war has not been any different.

    Deniers (and they are not really that difficult to pick) should be warned then banned. If a statement is made and cannot be supported with a reputable source it should be deleted.

    Let us not forget that most of us believe some things to be true because we have seen it somewhere and it has stayed in the memory bank. This in some cases is not an intentional "denial" and should be rebuffed sensibly.

    We are all here to learn!

    Geoff
     
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  15. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Shall we close the Holocaust section of the forum?

    Not while this forum calls itself ww2talk.

    Ron
     
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  16. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    NO! my first recollections of my education of the Holocaust involve places such as Belsen Dachau, Mauthausen, Auschtwitz Sobibor and many other names of camps places and events that are part of a dark time in history but a time that should never be forgot.AND PLENTY OF FILMS AND LITERATURE EXIST THAT LEAVE NO DOUBT IT HAPPENED, AND IF THAT WERE NOT ENOUGH THERE ARE THOSE WHO SURVIVED THE HELL ON EARTH OF THE NAZIS FINAL SOLUTION TO REMIND US OF WHY THIS MUST NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN AND IF WE DONT TALK AND LEARN OF THOSE TIMES WE RUN THE RISK OF ONE DAY FORGETTING AND LETTING SOME LUNITIC DO IT AGAIN!!
     
  17. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Good debate, Owen.

    I'm with Ron - we can't be a serious WW2 forum without having an area dedicated to the Holocaust. Whatever issues we get as a result of it pales into nothing compared with the suffering caused by the Holocaust itself.
     
  18. Recce_Mitch

    Recce_Mitch Very Senior Member

    Definately NO.

    Cheers
    Paul
     
  19. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    You lot do, that's why I often ask awkward questions on the Suggestions & Feedback section.
    And thats why we appreciate you, Owen! I feel it has to be in this forum to be honest. I know everyone talks about how our forum has a British and Commonwealth slant to it but by its very name, the holocaust needs to be included. Indeed one cant talk about the Ostfront/Great Patriotic War without mentioning the Holocaust, given that its so enmeshed in it.

    Great debate though.
     
  20. Steve G

    Steve G Senior Member

    Owen; Closing that section down would have the Denialists / Trolls 'High Fiving' each other and whooping with delight. It's exactly what they set out to do when they come here. It's the very reason people do Troll. The aim of the 'sport' is to destroy a forum.

    Start down that road and what next? I have to remove my Avatar? No more mention of the Japanese? Ban reference to the SS? Where would it end? Because, sure as eggs; Give the Trolls our Holocaust section and they'll be straight onto another one.

    Anyway, some members here could start an argument with each other sat in separate rooms. Nothing anyone else can do about that.

    The Holocaust is a vile subject. An emotive subject. But, to turn our backs on it because of its nature? Sorry; That's just unthinkable.
     

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