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Discussion in 'Service Records' started by everose, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. everose

    everose Junior Member

    Can anyone tell me what this means under the heading of posting on my grandads service records
    S.R.B.Z.A.A and R.B.Z.A.A
     
  2. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    What unit/regiment was he in? If you post a photo of his service record I'm sure someone will be able to help you.
    Lesley
     
  3. everose

    everose Junior Member

    service records attached can anyone tell me what it all means

    Thanks
     

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  4. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    Can anyone tell me what this means under the heading of posting on my grandads service records
    S.R.B.Z.A.A and R.B.Z.A.A
    Hi looking at the service records, I see draft AB2AA and similar under pt II orders - not sure what these actually mean or wether they would be any help re: your research.
    I see from the service record: Black watch and Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders and that he was KIA.

    I think members on here would be able to help with that part of the service record, if they haven't already done so.
     
  5. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Everose - that RBZAA is only a draft code which allows him to board a troopship - then he joins 8th Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders - then he is killed- sorry about that ..as he was in 78th Division's 36th Bde - he was around Termoli (Italy)at the time of death - probably buried at the Sangro River Cemetery.
    Cheers
     
  6. everose

    everose Junior Member

    Can someone explain what the codes and details mean on attached service records
     

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  7. everose

    everose Junior Member

    Thanks Tom any ideas where he would have boarded a troopship from. Scotland where he trained or down on southern coast of england
     
  8. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Everose -
    If he was In England then it would have been Liverpool - single ship - to Greenock to collect Convoy and off from there - landing at Algiers -if he was in Scotland he would go direct to Greenock for boarding - I note an X(iV) entry on his records which means a transfer from X - blurred - to 8th Argylls - the dates of landing indicates he went out to join 1st Army as a reinforcement in December - and was in a transit camp possibly Maison Carree - before transferring to the Agylls in the March of '43 before the battle for Longstop - after July '43 he would have been in Sicily prior to heading for Italy - probably landing at Bari to take the Foggia Airfields before the Termoli thing...

    you should get a hold of the "Battleaxe Division " by Ken Ford - it will fill in the main details
    Cheers
     
  9. everose

    everose Junior Member

    Tom the reason I asked if it may have been southern england is i have a lead that he may have been in the Lymington Hampshire area (new forest) on training exercise before leaving perhaps he carried out some training in Lymington area for a couple of months then retuned north to board troopship is this possible?
     
  10. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Hi Everose,

    The port of departure and arrival is most likely mentioned in the units war diary along with the ship they sailed on including the sailing times etc. The diary will aslo confirm if the battalion was in the Lymington area to.

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  11. everose

    everose Junior Member

    Thanks Andy where do i need to look for this info as he trained in the Black watch and when sent over seas he joined the Argylls
     
  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Unit war diaries are kept in the National Archives at Kew.
     
  13. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Everose
    anything was possible with the Army in those days but Lymington is hardly a likely training area - Brokenhurst more likely - more space for one thing - and more pubs of course in Bournemouth and Ringwood !

    It might be an idea to scan more of his records as this would cut out the guess work- as obviously you have received them from Glasgow to be able to find a draft code and transfer to the Agiles..
    Cheers
     
  14. everose

    everose Junior Member

    yes of coarse Brockenhurst would have been a better training area The only reason I mentioned Lymington is thats where he meet my nan while she was training to make piston rings for aircraft at Wellworthys in Lymington
    I will scan on the other pages as soon as I can
    Thanks
     
  15. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

  16. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

    Part 1/ II and III orders. Part one - daily routine of a unit, from reveille, throughout the day, duties parades etc until lights out. Part II - soldier occurrences - promotions, postings,courses etc. Part III orders, officer occurrences, same as part II for soldiers.
     
  17. everose

    everose Junior Member

    Tom
    Please find attached complete service records
     

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  18. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Everose -
    have printed out all nine pages and will study them later to-day and get back to you
    Cheers
     
  19. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Everose -
    Not a great deal to be learned from his records apart from what we already know - he was married - entitled to the 1939-45 Star - Africa Star with 1st Army clasp - Italy Star - Defence and Victory medals.

    Went out to North Africa as a reinforcement probably for the 6th battalion BW in 4th Division - sat in a transit camp for three months - transferred to the Argyll's-36th bde in 78th division - went to Italy around the 9th September landing at Bari - then on to the fighting at Foggia - Termoli - to the Sangro and on the last day of that Battle - he was killed between the Sangro and the Moro rivers as they handed over to the Canadian 1st Division to go onto Ortona.

    No mention of where he did any training and so your only recourse now is as Drew suggested - the War diaries - which MIGHT mention your G'dad but doubtful as he was in #8 training unit for the BW in either Perth or Stirling as he came from Newcastle......after joining up in February of '42...that is a long time to be in a training unit so perhaps he joined another battalion- possibly the 10th which looks like a "holding" battalion for reinforcements - prior to embarcation in the December of '42........possibly the 6th batt BW didn't need any reinforcment but 78th did at that time........ it was the Army way of doing things.....
    Cheers
     
  20. everose

    everose Junior Member

    Many Thanks Tom

    At least I now know what the information on his service records mean

    Thanks Steve
     

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