Service and Paybook Scans

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  1. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    That's pretty much them - I don't get any particular make, just go on Ebay when I need more (in fact I need more now).

    There must be so many stories behind them that I don't know yet and wont until the WW2 records are opened up - I really like the Mitchell twins ones - concurrent Army numbers and the when promoted concurrent Officers personnel numbers - same Officer Training Unit - be interesting to know if they went to the same unit after that or if they went their separate ways. I also like Vic Walker's - he served alongside a veteran I knew well and they were good friends - he mentioned him a couple of times - unfortunately he died before I got it so I couldn't show him it or ask for more information.

    I haven't seen that file for Naylor so have now added it - I have lots of odds and ends like that but not that one.

    Alistair
     
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  2. Alistair.
    I have been searching for ages for information on my late father. It seems you have his pay book.!
    680 Hardingham-Graveling Harold Edward.
    I would dearly lover to see a scan of it.
    Kind regards
    Stuart Hardingham-Graveling.
     
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  3. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Hi,
    PM sent

    Alistair
     
  4. Many thanks
    Stuart
     
  5. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    On another forum I remarked that despite the wealth of WW-2 era German senior ranked (Oberst and above, and especially General ranked) paybooks that have been available or are seen in museums there seems to be a distinct contrast to WW-1 in that there doesn't seem to be any for senior officers.
    Is this true as well for British/Commonwealth related WW-2 paybooks? Do such examples come on the market (or exist in collections/museums) for high ranking officers or were they issued something different?
     
  6. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

  7. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Another 60 or so added to the list with the main page added to All Service Books by Alistair Taylor as always I can do more scans if any of these are of use for people research and if anyone can add anything I would welcome it

    Thanks

    Alistair


    1465 ROE, ALBERT EDWARD 1115886
    AB64 (part 1) RA THEN 1048 PORT OPERATING COMPANY RE
    ENLISTED 20/2/41
    KILLED IN AMMUNITION EXPLOSION CAIRNRYAN 25/6/46

    1466 HIBBERT, PETER ERNEST 2370994
    AB64 (part 1) 11TH ARMOURED DIV SIGNALS
    ENLISTED 15/5/41
    WOUNDED SW CALF 12//44

    1467 TEALE, EDWIN S/113551
    AB64 (part 1) RASC
    ENLISTED 18/10/39
    POW BEF

    1468 OUTTEN, HARRY 1423214
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 13/2/22

    1469 TAYLOR, ROBERT JAMES 904405
    AB64 (part 1) RA THEN 7TH ROYAL WARWICKS
    ENLISTED 10/5/39

    1470 MASON, SAMUEL HARRY 1051955
    AB64 (part 1) RA THEN SUFFOLK THEN 2nd CAMBRIDGSHIRE
    ENLISTED 15/5/29
    POW 15/2/42 SINGAPORE

    1471 EVERETT, EDWIN 1525664
    AB64 (part 1) RA
    ENLISTED 15/12/39
    MISSING PAGES 5/6

    1472 VERMEULEN, JAMES 1797850
    AB64 (part 1) RA
    ENLISTED 24/4/41

    1473 LOVELL, TERENCE FRANCIS GEORGE 2061910
    AB64 (part 1) 1ST AIRBORNE DIVISION WORKSHOP REME
    ENLISTED 11/10/38

    1474 LIDDLE, JOHN ALBERT 3525064
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 26/3/31
    MISSING COVER

    1475 JENNINGS, LEONARD FREDERICK ARTHUR 22251353
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 15/2/49
    MISSING PAGES 7-14

    1476 BRAY, JOHN CHARLES 1478091
    AB64 (part 1) 472 BATTERY/75 SL REGT RA
    ENLISTED 23/8/39
    WOUNDED 8/10/40

    1477 UNISSUED
    RAF FORM 64 (part 1)
    PRINTED 9/39

    1478 UNISSUED
    RAF FORM 64 (part 2)
    PRINTED 9/39

    1479 GUTTERIDGE, GEORGE WILLIAM 2064707 & LT/JX202092
    AB64 (part 1) & S43A
    ENLISTED 19/10/38 (ARMY) & 24/6/40 (NAVY)
    AWADED DSM – LG 8/1/42 FOR SERVICE IN THE BATTE OF CRETE

    1480 JONES, FRANCIS SIDNEY 6092555
    AB64 (part 1) C COMPANY 1/6 QUEENS
    ENLISTED 16/10/39
    WOUNDED (BROKEN ANKLE) 22/5/40 NEAR TOURNAI

    1481 RICHARDSON, SAM WILLIAM 1535514
    AB64 (part 1) RA
    ENLISTED 18/4/40
    AWARDED MBE

    1482 HAYLES, VICTOR HENRY 13048327
    AB64 (part 1) REME ATTACHED 7TH BLACK WATCH
    ENLISTED 11/7/40

    1483 HEWITT, ALFRED WILLIAM CHARLES 1622830
    AB64 (part 1) 93RD (A&SH) ANTI-TANK REGIMENT RA & FIELD
    ENLISTED 29/7/40

    1484 EID, PIERRE MARIE BAR THILENY 4117
    AB64 (part 1) BELGIAN CONTINGENT MEF
    ENLISTED 7/10/43

    1485 TUNESI, JOSEPH 83534/1013453
    AB64 A BATTERY 38 BRIGADE RFA
    ENLISTED 17/8/14
    AWARDED MM

    1486 BATT, H S 842759
    FORM 64 (part 2) MIDDLE EAST PRINTED
    ATTESTED 12/12/38
    REPORTED FOR DUTY 24/8/39

    1487 GRIFFITHS, LESLIE WYNDHAM 7359124
    AB64 (part 1) RAMC NO4 PARACHUTE SURGICAL TEAM
    ENLISTED 16/10/39
    PARACHUTE TRAINED

    1488 WHALE, GEORGE EDWARD 4749420
    AB64 (part 1) 1ST GREEN HOWARDS THEN REME
    ENLISTED 14/7/43
    WOUNDED 20/4/44

    1489 UNISSUED
    S43A
    MARCH 1943 EDITION

    1490 TODD, ? STEWART S/54542
    AB64 (part 1) RASC
    ENLISTED 26/3/34

    1491 COLLINS, COLIN 900052
    AB64 (part 1) 98 FIELD REGIMENT RA
    ENLISTED 17/4/39
    POW 28/5/40

    1492 PAREEZER, ARNOLD T/284411
    AB64 (part 1) RASC
    Enlisted 28/8/41

    1493 WHITING, JAMES 1144087
    AB64 (part 1) RA
    Enlisted 26/3/42

    1494 CHEETHAM, HORACE 511558
    AB64 (part 1) X2, 1/7 ROYAL WARWICKS (143 BRIGADE RECCE COY), GSC, RE
    Enlisted 8/5/39

    1495 KEEVES, FREDERICK CHARLES 5387079
    AB64 (part 1) 4TH OBLI
    Enlisted 15/7/39
    ON DANGEROUSLY ILL LIST 30/1/40

    1496 BAUGHAN, ALBERT 1144429
    AB64 (part 1) 360 BATTERY, 138 FIELD REGIMENT RA 78TH DIVISION
    Enlisted 16/4/42

    1497 ELWIN, RONALD 1398412
    AB64 (part 1) 2ND RHA THEN RASC
    ENLISTED 31/5/40
    WOUNDED 14/1/42
    PROMOTED PIONEER CORPS (337387)

    1498 UNISSUED
    AB64 (PART 2)
    PRINTED 3/45

    1499 SHEEN, JAMES HENRY 758
    AB64 31ST AIF
    ENLISTED 26/6/15

    1500 OATES, RONALD WILLIAM 14295512
    AB64 (part 1) 1ST LOTHIAN AND BORDERS
    ENLISTED 1/10/42
    WOUNDED 18/7/44

    1501 CHILD, PETER NORMAN 4977069
    AB64 (part 1 & 2) 8TH FORRESTERS
    ENLISTED 25/5/39

    1502 BUTLER, DAPHNE OSBOURNE W/54616
    AB64 (part 1) ATS
    ENLISTED 17/4/41

    1503 DUDLEY, GRACE MARY W/137897
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 22/5/42

    1504 ? 7602694
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 28/8/39
    NAME ERASED, MISSING PAGES 9-12

    1505 CAKEBREAD, CYRIL 1598223
    AB64 (part 1) RA
    ENLISTED 29/7/40

    1506 MOXAM, JAMES WILFRED 4394705
    AB64 (part 1) PIONEER CORPS
    ENLISTED 13/6/40

    1507 FENWICK, WILLIAM 14258148
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 20/8/42
    PREVIOUSLY 3125146 2ND RSF

    1508 HOMEWOOD, ALBERT GEORGE 10548981
    AB64 (part 1) REME
    ENLISTED 24/4/41

    1509 CLIPPINGDALE, BRIDGET MARY GORDON W/115931
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 8/12/41

    1510 FARQUHAR, JOHN BLACKHALL T/3252787
    AB64 (part 1) RASC
    ENLISTED 24/6/40

    1511 MOKES, ERNEST 4974483
    AB64 (part 1) 11H HUSSARS
    ENLISTED 3/9/35
    WOUNDED, SHOT IN THE SIDE BY STRAFFING AIRCRAFT 19/7/41

    1512 KENNEDY, CATHERINE W/134386
    AB64 (part 1) ATS
    ENLISTED 10/2/42

    1513 TAYLOR, HAROLD HOWARTH T/14642152
    AB64 (part 1) RASC
    ENLISTED 1/7/43
    APPEARS TO HAVE PREVIOUS SERVICE 765942 RA

    1514 MURDOCH, JAMES FORREST 14382950
    AB64 (part 1) 6TH AIRBORNE DIVISION PROVOST COMPANY
    ENLISTED 17/12/42
    WOUNDED SHRAPNEL TO SHOULDER 9/6/44

    1515 DRAKELEY, KENNETH DOUGLAS 924480
    AB64 (part 1) 269 BATTERY, 68 FIELD REGIMENT RA
    ENLISTED 26/6/39

    1516 WOOD, MARMADUKE 4544383
    AB64 (part 1) 2ND WEST YORKSHIRE REGIMENT
    ENLISTED 27/6/40
    POW 5/6/42

    1517 HORNE, HARRY FREDERICK, 14769181
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 18/5/44

    1518 TROTTER, WILLIAM HENRY M/47670
    AB64 (part 1) RASC ATTACHED 1ST FIELD AMBULANCE
    ENLISTED 6/5/29

    1519 HURLIN, CHARLES 7140/41525
    AB64 5TH ROYAL IRISH ANCERS THEN 3RD CAVALRY SQUADRON MACINE GUN CORPS
    ENLISTED 1/9/14
    DISCHARGED NEURASTHENIA

    1520 BENSON, WILLIAM DOUGLAS 3191261
    AB64 (part 1) 1ST KOSB
    ENLISTED 15/9/39
    MISSING PAGE 5-6
    WOUNDED 16/6/44

    1521 REED, BERNARD HENRY 19011935
    AB64 (part 1)
    ENLISTED 18/7/46

    1522 RIDGLEY, HENRY ORLANDO 7015948
    AB64 (part 1) RCOS, PARACHUTE REGIMENT?
    ENLISTED 18/10/39

    1523 HILL, ANNIE W/15549
    AB64 (part 1) ATS
    ENLISTED 5/5/39
    MISSING BACK COVER

    1524 PITTS, JOHN GEORGE 1604578
    AB64 (part 1) RA
    ENLISTED 12/9/40, JOINED 10/10/40
    AWARDED BEM

    1525 RICHARDSON, WILLIAM SAMUAL 2138581
    AB64 (part 1) ROYAL ENGINEERS
    ENLISTED 16/1/41

    1526 TRUMAN/MAILES, BETTY JOAN W/183216
    AB64 (part 1) ATS (RAPC ATTACHED)
    ENLISTED 26/6/42
     
  8. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    Thanks for the reply. Someone replied to my query about the WW-1 German high ranking equivalents and mentioned that it was stated in regulations that at the end of service the paybook was meant to be closed out and handed in for it to be archived and then after a period of time it was to be destroyed which would certainly explain the lack of examples seen.
    Were their similar regulations for the British/Commonwealth Paybooks which might explain the lack of high ranking examples?
     
  9. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Online Canadian infantry service files (deceased personnel only) usuallly contain a number of paybooks - sometimes including the one recovered from the deceased's body.

    Steve Y
     
  10. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Interesting to know, RCAF records also contain the casualties service book (I guess they didn't carry them on Ops) so it looks like the Canadian way was to keep the books where in Britain it was policy to return it to the family (not sure about Australia, New Zealand etc)

    Alistair
     
  11. 379/101 HAA

    379/101 HAA Ubique

    I read the previous two messages with great interest.

    Sometime ago, in my hunt for my Grandfather`s paybook, I sent away for a copy of his personal effects record to see if it had been returned to the family after his death.

    Unfortunately the digital images I was sent in return were rather poor making it very hard to read (see attached). It would appear however that his AB64 may have been sent to the Regimental Paymaster / Leicester in order for his pension to be sorted out? It seems to say "Paybook - Received - (Despatched To) - Retainer or Retained?

    Can anyone explain this further? Would his paybook have been kept by the Army then never returned to the family? It seems a bit strange to do this. If so, could it still exist in some Army pension file somewhere?
     

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  12. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    Last week I visited Prague and visited many of the sites relating to Operation Anthropoid. Within the vault display is this Paybook for one of the agents sent to kill Heydrich, Josef Gabcik that I thought members might like to see.

    Heydrich - Anthropoid Ss. Cyril and Methodius Cathedral (9).jpg Heydrich - Anthropoid Ss. Cyril and Methodius Cathedral (7).jpg
     
  13. onlyme

    onlyme New Member

     
  14. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Hucks, I saw that when I visited last year and it caught my eye, I'm going back next month for the anniversary so will have a look again

    Alistair
     
  15. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Ian, I'll look out Burtons but can't do scans at the moment, I've managed to break my laptop (hence the slow reply), I can possibly manage photos and mail them through

    Alistair
     
  16. onlyme

    onlyme New Member

    Hi.. Lol. Don't worry there is absolutely no hurry
    My friend has his medals.

    He may even ask if you would be interested in selling him the paybook... You may be a collector and not interested in selling..

    But scan / photos is fabulous

    My email is

    Ianw.sythes@hotmail.co.uk

    Thanks very much

    Ian
     
  17. onlyme

    onlyme New Member

    Hi Alister,

    Tried sending photos of Burton medals but not sure if they uploaded, will try again :).. I think I maybe thumbnailed them and made them too small. So have gone big.
    Nice group my friend has.. hope they are as expected.
    I like to see the original ribbons and the medals not polished to death. Wish it was my group.
    Left a couple of posts in conversation slot, but not sure if you recieved them.

    best wishes
    Ian


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