Secret War

Discussion in 'Special Forces' started by leunga, Mar 22, 2005.

  1. leunga

    leunga Member

    What is secret war? I guess the concise definitions as shown in IWM's Secret War corner is useful for reference.

    M15 - British security service defending the state against its enemies with their shores.
    M16 - The secret intelligence services seeking out information on enemies abroad.
    Secret Communications - British's signal intelligence organisations which intercept and decode communications.
    Special Operation Executives (SOE) - Created during WWII with instruction to "Set Europe Ablaze".
    Secret Soldiers - Elite Special Forces carrying out military operations behind enemy lines.

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  2. Devil

    Devil Junior Member

    Special Forces always play a great part in a war.To sabotage the enemy to thin the lines.But I personaly think that the most valuable action of a special unit is to help that the casualitis keep low.There will be less casualitis if special forces sabotage enemy artylery tanks supply depots... Before a major assault on that teritory.Special Forces always play a great part in a war. :D
     
  3. Devil

    Devil Junior Member

    Excuse me for posting the same 2 times.
    Do anyone knows a German special unit

    EDIT: Deleted repeat post, no worries Devil. Gnomey
     
  4. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by Devil@Mar 22 2005, 08:27 AM
    Excuse me for posting the same 2 times.
    Do anyone knows a German special unit
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    The brandenburger Divison. The 105th prussian Marine stromtroopers.
     
  5. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by leunga@Mar 22 2005, 07:52 AM
    What is secret war? I guess the concise definitions as shown in IWM's Secret War corner is useful for reference.

    M15 - British security service defending the state against its enemies with their shores.
    M16 - The secret intelligence services seeking out information on enemies abroad.
    Secret Communications - British's signal intelligence organisations which intercept and decode communications.
    Special Operation Executives (SOE) - Created during WWII with instruction to "Set Europe Ablaze".
    Secret Soldiers - Elite Special Forces carrying out military operations behind enemy lines.

    Selected exhibit
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    there is also Mi9 escape and evasion. the Y service which provided the signals intelligence. the special duty squadrons which dropped the agents into Europe and other places. the list is almost endless.
     
  6. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    Another famous German secret unit (an oxymoron, 'tis true), was Otto Skorzeny's 150th Panzer Brigade in the Battle of the Bulge, and his teams of English-speaking Germans in American uniforms. They cut wires and switched road signs in an effort to create chaos behind the American lines, but most got caught. An interesting story.
     
  7. jeffbubble

    jeffbubble Senior Member

    Another clandestine force was also at large, this was the British resistance organisation who operated under the deliberately vague name of Auxiliary Troops. It had been formed by Major Colin McVean-Gubbins under the aegis of GHQ Home Forces To cover up their activities, they wore Home Guard uniforms with the ‘202 Battalion Flash’.

    The bases were top secret, and tended to be large underground concrete bunkers well hidden and capable of sustaining the four man teams for weeks. These 970 ‘setts’ were well stocked with food, water and the latest weapons including Thompson sub-machine guns, Mills bombs, sticky bombs, anti tank mortars, plastic explosives and time pencils.

    Over 5,000 men were in this secret army, which were to fight the Germans if invasion took place, their task was to carry out acts of sabotage and disruption. It was calculated that their life behind enemy lines would be in the order of days, not weeks.
     
  8. Thomas McCall

    Thomas McCall Senior Member

    Also the SOE in the far east Force 136 which enlisted and trained the native tribesmen of Burma, Malaya, Siam (Thailand) and French Indo-China to be scouts and to sabotage Japanese lines of communication.

    Force 136 (Burma section) was commanded by John Ritchie Gardiner from 1943 to the end of the war, like many other of the men employed in Force 136 Gardiner knew the area well which was key in delaying Japanese reinforcements they also harried Japanese forces breaking out of the Pegu Yomas mountain range in July and August 1945.
     
  9. frankie1958

    frankie1958 Junior Member

    Hi

    I am looking for the family of John Jenner Marchant who was with Force 136 in Burma in 1944. Also he was in Jugon, France. Is there anyone that remembers him or can tell me if he is still alive? He would be 85 years old. He had a twin brother, Peter and Peter has a son, Simon. But I have been unable to locate them. I would very much like to get in touch with anyone with any information. Thanks.

    Frankie
     
  10. mattgibbs

    mattgibbs Senior Member

    With relation to JJ marchant have you tried looking at the recently released personnel files of the SOE at the PRO archives? A new book published this year mentions that some of 10,000 files are being opened up.
    Regards
    MG
     
  11. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    I rather like the special forces! Where they? I never saw any of those... What ever we wanted to do we done ourselves. as in the Gramophon thread somewhere on here?
    Sapper
     
  12. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    I was going to add to the bit about going behind enemy lines with a gramophone, but cannot find it?
    Sapper
     
  13. Fresearcher

    Fresearcher Junior Member

    There is a very interesting new book about the SOE called "The Grand Prix Saboteurs", the story of Grand Prix racing drivers who became secret agents in France in WW2. For more information go to www.morienval.com.
     
  14. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    There is a very interesting new book about the SOE called "The Grand Prix Saboteurs", the story of Grand Prix racing drivers who became secret agents in France in WW2. For more information go to MORIENVAL PRESS

    The 'Willy Grover'' mentioned here served with SOE as Charles Grover- Williams, code name Sebastien and who set up the sabotage 'Chestnut' Circuit. Grover-Williams fell into the hands of the Gestapo when Chestnut collapsed.

    SOE records him being murdered along with the Prosper Circuit leader Francis Suttill at Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

    However there is something mysterious about Grover-Williams in that he was reported as being stlill alive after the war and living in Normandy.This claim was made in the Sunday Times magazine a few years ago.This surprised me in that in the official account of SOE activities, Grover-Williams was lost in the field.He is to my knowledge remembered on the SOE Memorial at Valencay which was dedicated as late as May 1991.

    Robert Benoist was another racing driver who along with Grover-Williams and fellow racing driver, J-P Wimille, were the core of the Chestnut Circuit.

    Can I just add,the story, contrary to the book's claim has been told before by the official SOE historian,the late M.R.D.Foot.
     

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