SDKFZ 234 /2 Puma and series information sought

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  1. MikB

    MikB Senior Member

    Western desert they must have been in their element. imagine trying to hit it with limited traverse Lee main gun as the bloody thing does 60 round your arse.
    Kev


    Not that early for the Puma variant, I think. And I doubt the M3 would have much trouble - bop it with the stabilised (IIRC) 37 in the turret; you wouldn't need the 75.

    Regards,
    MikB
     
  2. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Not sure the Staghound is inthe same class as the Puma, I guess its a heavy armoured car.

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    Western desert they must have been in their element. imagine trying to hit it with limited traverse Lee main gun as the bloody thing does 60 round your arse.

    It should be in the same class, both were heavy armoured cars...

    Western Desert? What desert? That was in 1942, the Puma showed up in 1944! And please bear in mind an armoured car is one thing, an anti-tank vehicle is something else. An AC has a reconnaisssance role, to keep a low profile and scamper off when in trouble, not playing with the thick skinned boys.
     
  3. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    It should be in the same class, both were heavy armoured cars...

    Western Desert? What desert? That was in 1942, the Puma showed up in 1944! And please bear in mind an armoured car is one thing, an anti-tank vehicle is something else. An AC has a reconnaisssance role, to keep a low profile and scamper off when in trouble, not playing with the thick skinned boys.


    Wasnt really a serious post ZR, The techonlagy was there in 1942.The puma was less then a 100 units, more a what if. And more concept (of trading weight for speed) what if.

    Kev
     
  4. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Wasnt really a serious post ZR, The techonlagy was there in 1942.The puma was less then a 100 units, more a what if. And more concept (of trading weight for speed) what if.

    Sorry, I have a visceral reaction to what-ifs due to unfortunate experiences "elsewhere". Most what-ifs I read have to do with Überwaffen, or hare-brained scenarios "If the Germans did as I say they surely would have won the war", and I developed an allergy to that.
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    What if Germany turned iceland into a floating aircraft carrier powered by 1000 v2's?
    Then they could use it as a base for the nuclear weapons captured from the French....using the nuclear scientists with German names who were in fact Americans to perfect the technique.
    It's so obvious.
     
  6. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

    What if Germany turned iceland into a floating aircraft carrier powered by 1000 v2's?


    Don't knock it - the Brits wanted to build an aircraft carrier out of an iceberg:

    Habbakkuk info sheet
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Don't knock it - the Brits wanted to build an aircraft carrier out of an iceberg:

    Habbakkuk info sheet
    I knoooowww. old louis and his funny ideas. Alanbrooke was nearly amused.:nospeakhearsee:

    Late night attempt to get back on track slightly;Recconaiscance; Dingo or 234?? I think I'd take the Dingo.
     
  8. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

    Recconaiscance;

    Sorry, google doesn't recognise this word!!:p
     
  9. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

    Dingo or 234??

    A bit of unfair comparison though - a bit like a sprinter against a marathon runner
     
  10. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    reco-wossname...Curses! Another partial success.
    I choose the Dingo for it's astonishing reversing act.
     
  11. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

    Well with 5 gears in each direction!! Er, does that make it's reverse speed nearly as fast as forward (50+mph)?
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Well with 5 gears in each direction!! Er, does that make it's reverse speed nearly as fast as forward (50+mph)?
    I'd thought it a legend until 2 went round an arena at full whack this year, one going backwards.
    They didn't build it with a sideways seat for nothing, balls of steel still required for that trick though.
     
  13. Kyt

    Kyt Very Senior Member

    Yes so I see

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    One thing I've never understood is why use a bren in armoured cars. Apart from it being the most available it must have been bloody difficult to change magazines in such cramped conditions, and when on the move.

    p.s. any idea how the fared on the Dieppe beaches?
     
  14. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Not so good.
    Reverse not always an advantage.
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  15. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Sorry, I have a visceral reaction to what-ifs due to unfortunate experiences "elsewhere". Most what-ifs I read have to do with Überwaffen, or hare-brained scenarios "If the Germans did as I say they surely would have won the war", and I developed an allergy to that.

    fair enoughski, It mustnt work, It comes up time and time again every few years, lightweight tanks, never seem to be a great success.

    Kev
     
  16. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Well with 5 gears in each direction!! Er, does that make it's reverse speed nearly as fast as forward (50+mph)?

    Is that an American joke on French armoured cars? :D
     
  17. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    What if Germany turned iceland into a floating aircraft carrier powered by 1000 v2's?
    Then they could use it as a base for the nuclear weapons captured from the French....using the nuclear scientists with German names who were in fact Americans to perfect the technique.
    It's so obvious.

    AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH! :mad111:
     
  18. von Poop

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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Nice attempt to pin down the 234's distribution.
    Sd Kfz. 234

    I've been reading a book on the development of the postwar Alvis FV600/Saracen/Saladin/Stalwart series. It confirms that the 8 wheeled German armoured cars were very much in the minds of the men from the ministry when the spec was laid down; pretty much immediately postwar, (though of course they eventually settled on 6 wheels).
    Considering that the FV600s were only retired from British service relatively recently (and were so widely exported that I wouldn't be surprised if some serve still) it seems even more of a credit to the first Generation of this 'type' as fielded by the Germans that we're only now onto the 3rd generation with vehicles like the Piranha etc. 65 years later.
     
  20. von Poop

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