Scammell "Snow White."

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  1. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    This Scammell "Snow White" reg RMD 31 , at Neubourg June 1940, is it the exact same Snow White that appears later on in the desert?
    From page 512 of ATB Blitzkrieg In The West.
    Does anyone know the reg of the desert one?
    Is it the same or is she "Snow White the second"?
     

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  2. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Blimey - that's well spotted! I bet it is the same vehicle, and same crew. Nice find, Owen.
     
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  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    In George Forty's British Army Handbook on page 113 is the same photo I posted at the top , he thinks Snow White had a second 'life' in the Western Desert.

    Only way of knowing is to check Serial Numbers wouldn't it?
     
    Owen, Jan 29, 2008
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  4. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Serial Numbers would be best alright. Where there many of these made? Perhaps the manufacturer has a record of em?

    Tell you what Owen, you're certainly "eagle eyes"!!!
     
    Gerard, Jan 29, 2008
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  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Forty was director of the Tank Museum for a long while, it's likely he'd have checked up on this.
     
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  6. Jim Clay

    Jim Clay Member

    Lovely pics, Owen. Adding nothing to the discussion, but just 'cos it's another nice pic, here's a variant on the Scammell R10(?) 6X4 tractor
     

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  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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  8. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I believe that this was the same vehicle and was with 1st Armoured Division, can't find my references though. It got out of Cherbourg and later went with them to North Africa. I wonder if it made it on to Italy ?

    I have half an idea that I associate the name with the old Airfix 1:72 model. Did they depict this vehicle ? They certainly used the Matador "Gazala" which appears in IWM pictures of Normandy.
     
    Rich Payne, Jan 29, 2008
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  9. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen -
    The Tank on the back of "Snow White" is truly an A9 - or as we called them - Covenantor - forerunner of the Crusader - both of which were fairly useless with their 2lb guns against the 50mm and 75mm. of the PzIII and IV's

    Ten hulls of the crusaders per week were made at Nuffield Metal Products in Birmingham - I worked there just prior to call up - permanent nightshift for 3GBP per week - the drillers for the bogies would make the odd mistake - and fill the holes with aluminium plugs- real confidence builder !
    Fun days - and nights - the radial driller would drill three turret rings before midnight - then sleep the rest of the night - real union man !
    Cheers
     
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  10. Shredie

    Shredie Member

    If that photo is actually from June 1940, they had only four days to get to Dunkirk and get it on a boat.
     
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  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    If that photo is actually from June 1940, they had only four days to get to Dunkirk and get it on a boat.

    It's most likely heading for Le Harve.
    There was a Royal Armoured Corps centre at Pacy-sur-Eure , Le Neubourg is south of Rouen .
     
    Owen, Jan 30, 2010
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  12. Shredie

    Shredie Member

    Worse still, Neubourgis 300 km from Dunkirk, was there another port they could have used??
     
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  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I just said LE HAVRE!!!
     
    Owen, Jan 30, 2010
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  14. Shredie

    Shredie Member

    Ah.. answers come faster than i can type
     
    Shredie, Jan 30, 2010
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  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Ok I'll let you off.
    :D
     
    Owen, Jan 30, 2010
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  16. Shredie

    Shredie Member

    and don't SHOUT !
     
    Shredie, Jan 30, 2010
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  17. Shredie

    Shredie Member

    still typeing as fgast as i can

    Now, when did Le Havre fall?
     
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  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    The line of defence EVANS folds up on June 12 in the night. Line ALMS will hold its position until the first hours of June 13. The evacuation of the French and British troops finishes on June 13 in the mob. On the whole, they is 26 600 French soldiers and 11 000 British soldiers who will succeed in leaving Le Havre.
    Thursday June 13 at 8 o'clock in the morning, the first motorized elements of the German army make their input in the city of Le Havre.


    History of Normandy - The Fortress of Le Havre (76)
     
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  19. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    Amazed that they're embarking such a large vehicle for home from France at this late stage. Were the tanks embarked too ?
    Craig
     
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  20. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Philson says the number of tanks that returned to the UK is unclear because the RAC report states 7 Cruisers and 6 Light Tanks were landed in the UK but a Op Aerial report says 9 Cruisers and 13 Light Tanks were returned.

    BEF Orbat 1940
     
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